Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Boy I Never Knew in Houston

Boy I Never Knew (live in Houston 06-09-08)
Posted by Craig at 1:46 AM

154 comments:

  1. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 1:48 AM

    Just watched it when you mentioned it in the other post.

    chilling song, truly.

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  2. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 2:41 AM

    Doh!!! Have to wait until I get home from work to watch it.

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  3. the Big GingeJune 11, 2008 at 4:27 AM

    i can picture how this'll sound on the album, whichever one - as the Cat says, think it'll be one of those moments when time stops in the room for 4 minutes

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  4. JennyJune 11, 2008 at 5:31 AM

    Here's hoping it's going to be on the September album!

    Have to check this out when I get home tonight.

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  5. robertJune 11, 2008 at 5:45 AM

    Glad to see this one is going to see the light of day. I remember this one from the August 2004 UNCUT magazine (after THE CURE came out).

    The interview mentions Ross Robinson wanting them to make a very hard album. Robert says:

    "Out of the 20 songs that we did for this record, we could have released a 10 track album which would have ben the heaviest and most disturbing thing we'd ever made" [...] "There's one song we've done, called 'The Boy I Never Knew' which isn't on the album, and that's ROss' favorite song that we did. It's also the saddest. I couldn't put it on the record. It was just too much. It's got me crying on it, for God's sake."

    He couldn't do it because THE CURE album was supposed to include everything they've done, not just one theme but all of them.

    Can't wait to hear it!

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  6. JPXJune 11, 2008 at 7:07 AM

    "I couldn't put it on the record. It was just too much. It's got me crying on it, for God's sake."

    That kind of reasoning doesn't make any sense. Basically he's saying, "I made a song that is so emotionally powerful I decided not to put it on the album". Wouldn't that be EXACTLY the kind of song you'd want to put on an album?

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  7. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 8:02 AM

    I can understand what he meant. After recording it and dealing with the emotions it brought on, he was not ready for the world to hear that song, as obviously it was still very personal....

    However, I guess now he is ready...I really feel lucky to be at the Houston show where he said "This is the probably the only time we will play this in the U S"...

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  8. revoltJune 11, 2008 at 8:20 AM

    "The interview mentions Ross Robinson wanting them to make a very hard album."

    That just goes to show that it was Robert Smith and not Ross Robinson who fucked up the self-titled album. Now, if only self-deluded fans could get it together...

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  9. robertJune 11, 2008 at 8:21 AM

    The article was talking about how THE CURE album would be a retrospective of everything The Cure have done over the years. My take is he was trying to strike a balance with it and not have it too much of one or the other.

    Lucky for us (those of us who appreciate that side of The Cure more than some of the other sides) that it will be released, hopefully on the first album but what's another 3 months if we have to wait for the second? We've come this far! ;-)

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  10. The Ghost ScriptJune 11, 2008 at 8:29 AM

    This song gives me chills with every listen

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  11. ZachJune 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM

    Being a father of a 4 year-old boy myself, I literally almost cry every time I hear this song. I can't imagine my life without my son and if this makes it to the album, the studio version will probably DEMOLISH me with every listen.

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  12. The Ghost ScriptJune 11, 2008 at 8:56 AM

    i'm on the same page as you Zach... my son is 6 weeks old tomorrow.

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  13. the Big GingeJune 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM

    Zach, Corrosive, we COF fathers! - I've two children too, Noah (3) and Mabel (1) - I know exactly what you mean, the words to this shock me right through, make me well up on every listen

    demolish is the word

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  14. The Ghost ScriptJune 11, 2008 at 9:41 AM

    they must be fun at that age. my baby just sleeps, poops, and screams right now but i did happen to see him smile the other day!

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  15. perfect.murderJune 11, 2008 at 9:50 AM

    Shivering just reading this...That song was the highlight of my many European concerts..I have no kids and i'm likely to stay that way and i can only imagine what it'd be like to have a son...The song works on many levels..Can't wait

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  16. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    i just love hearing fathers talk about their children, truly... :-)

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  17. the Big GingeJune 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM

    hi Corrosive - every day they make my day

    my son Noah is obsessed with batteries: how many have we got left? are any toys running low? when am I next bringing a cargo home?

    i want everyone i know to hear this song - one of the biggest emotion songs of their career - such an original viewpoint, it really does speak to everyone

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  18. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    ya know, the first few times i heard the song, i thought it was okay. now i'm besotted with it. weird how that happens.

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  19. joefrog91June 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM

    I am also glad I heard this song live. I fell in love with it the first time I heard it on the Euro boots.

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  20. The Ghost ScriptJune 11, 2008 at 10:44 AM

    BIG GINGE- batteries huh? that's weird and funny at the same time. I have the lullabye cure songs for my baby too, he loves them, puts him right to sleep. i got him a Cure t-shirt as well... it won't fit him till he's six months though but when it does he will look very cute! i'll have to post a pic or something



    It's also kinda funny how everyone HATED with a passion the song freakshow and now everyone is raving about it... and there is plenty to rave about in my opinion.

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  21. Dumb AnguishJune 11, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Actually, I still hate "Freakshow" with a passion. Well, hate is a strong word...Reserved for songs like "alt.end" and "Never". But I really really don't like "Freakshow".

    However, "Boy I Never Knew" is, I think the best new song. Will be pleased if it shows up on the new double...No wait, half-a-double album.

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  22. JoesterJune 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    Anybody care to take a chance at decoding/transcribing?

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  23. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM

    Well being a dad of three and especially a son who is going through some serious medical issues a song like this resonates like you could never imagine....

    It's really almost impossible for me to listen to...

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  24. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM

    Jerry - I'm very sorry to hear that. Hope he gets well soon. Sending out all positive thoughts to you guys.

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  25. joefrog91June 11, 2008 at 1:34 PM

    I wish I was going to more shows. I'm bored here at work today.

    "AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GO
    I REALIZE WE ONLY GET TO STAY SO LONG
    ALWAYS HAVE TO GO BACK TO REAL LIVES
    WHERE WE BELONG"

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  26. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 1:36 PM

    Thanks Craig. If you or anyone is interested in what's going on check my website out, you can find it in my profile.

    Suffice to say he's doing super well now but we are about to embark on a very long journey to get him cured.

    We can use all the positive energy we can get, send away! ;-)

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  27. MorrisJune 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM

    I like NY Trip best, of the songs released on the singles so far... no one talks about it.

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  28. AnnieJune 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM

    wow, jerry, this song as it is is so beautiful to me, but I can never even imagine what it must mean to someone with a child, especially in that situation. I really hope you and your son find a cure (I really don't mean to make some lame pun here but I can't think of another word) and then maybe the song will be somewhat less painful to listen to.

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  29. UnknownJune 11, 2008 at 2:22 PM

    I love ABINK. The studio version should be awesome.

    My son is 7 and he says The Cure is boring, and I should listen to Andrea
    Bocelli (that is my wife's doing). Aside his musical tastes, he is The Perfect Boy.

    PS: We do listen Bocelli together.

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  30. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM

    Thanks Annie! The cure (oh the pun!) is available to him and we are going to start it soon but it's neither easy or trivial. It's a bone marrow transplant from his big sister and 2 years of recovery if all goes well.

    Maybe you are right, after it's all done this song and a whole host of others, will become easier to stomach...

    We'll see huh?

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  31. UnknownJune 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM

    Jerry - You guys will be in my thoughts. Good luck with everything.

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  32. vJune 11, 2008 at 2:55 PM

    Jerry: Wow, I just read your page and am sending positive thoughts your way. I will be thinking about your family and hoping that all goes smoothly for the transplant.

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  33. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM

    I'm so sorry, Jerry. Here's hoping for a recovery and many future memories with your son.

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  34. vJune 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM

    Craig: Didn't you transcribe ABINK and post it here at some point? Do I need to bust out my magnifying glass to find that post? :)

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  35. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM

    Jerry, you have a beautiful family and did a great job with your website.

    I come from a medical family, and have never heard of your son's condition. I do know how hard it is to have to watch someone you love fight something like this (I'm not a father, as it appears not in the cards for my wife and I unfortunately). We will keep you in our hearts and prayers...

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  36. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 3:08 PM

    Jerry - I'm floored by that. I can't even imagine. Man, I'm not religious at all, but I'm still going to say a prayer for you and your family. If there's ever anything you need and I can help, you've got it.

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  37. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 3:09 PM

    V - I'll look. I know I have the original lyrics from The Cure sessions.

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  38. vJune 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    Jerry: I just read up on all of the things that you mentioned in your "story" and just can't believe that your son has had to deal with all of that that in the years he's been alive. It's such a wonderful thing for your daughter to be his donor, and it is so fortunate for her to be a perfect match. Anyway, I've got your blog on my RSS reader and will be looking for updates as you post them.

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  39. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:17 PM

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  40. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM

    So what do you think about the echo/reverb on Robert's voice in this version? I can't decide if it adds or detracts from the beauty of the song.

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  41. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM

    PS Sorry, not trying to stray away from the topic of Jerry's son at all. I just watched the video again.

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  42. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM

    Hey Cat - i'm gonna watch it again now too.

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  43. vJune 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM

    Cat: I just watched it myself - first time I'd heard this song since February. :'( (emotional day...)

    The reverb didn't really detract for me. I thought Robert's vocals were gorgeous and the effects highlighted the genuine emotion behind this song.

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  44. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM

    Cat you have nothing to be sorry about, I guess I sorta hijacked the subject. Sorry about that you guys!

    Thank you all for the kind words, you can't really imagine how much it all means to us. It's that positive energy that will get us through all of this with flying colors.

    It's really comforting to be in the company of beautiful people! :-)

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  45. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM

    jerry, I took at a look at your site and I am truly humbled by what you all have endured. I have no plans to have children, but I do have a younger brother (16) whom I adore with all my heart. So I can empathize in that way, because I know how special children can be, especially your own. I am tearing up as I am writing this because in all honesty, I can't really fathom being able to be strong enough to endure such a situation. I admire you and your family and especially your son for staying strong.

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  46. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM

    Isn't strange that this song affects everyone so strongly. Those of you with children tear up because of the ties you have with your children, those that don't have kids tear up for the literal reason - the children we will never know.

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  47. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM

    My children are my students and my cats. :-)

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  48. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM

    This was Craig's first attempt at the lyrics in Oct 2007:

    A BOY I NEVER KNEW

    To have his arms around me, to sense his perfect trust
    I’d give all I ever had…all I ever had…

    I’d love to see him dream, I’d love to watch him sleep
    To have his arms around me, ?
    Held his arms in mine, sense his perfect trust
    I’d give all I ever had for a moment of his love

    He’s my heart and my soul
    He’s my blood and my bones
    He’s my prayers and my hope
    My wishes and dreams
    Seems so long ago, so long ago…

    I’d love to watch him dream, love to see him sleep
    To have his arms around me, feel him as he breathes
    Hold his hands in mine, sense his perfect trust
    I’d give all I ever had for a moment of his love

    He’s my heart and my soul
    He’s my blood and my bones
    He’s my prayers and my hopes
    My wishes and dreams
    Seems so long ago…

    He’s my blood and my bones
    He’s my heart and my soul
    He’s my prayers and my hopes
    My wishes and dreams

    A boy I never knew
    And the man I’ll never know
    I’ll never know, I'll never know…

    To have his arms around me, sense his perfect trust
    I’d give all I ever had…

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  49. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM

    I have my nieces. For some reason, I can't subscribe to the theory that pets are substitute children - maybe it is because I am not a dog person, and yet I have two beagles in my life. (the hubby's dogs)

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  50. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM

    and I'm welling up reading your comment Cat! Thank you for the super kind words. Thank you and everyone again. All of your comments are so wonderful.

    My strength comes from my family and desire for my son to be rid of this disease forever. I'd like to tell you that I'm the rock of all rocks but the truth is that it's up and down. Some days better than others. It's about to get very rocky soon but I have conditioned myself to worry about one day at a time.

    Elise it's the beauty of music isn't it? We all get to interpret it however we want.

    Thanks again everyone, I'm humbled by all of you!

    PS Sorry again to hijack the topic, it really wasn't my intention, this song just kinda gets me in a place...

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  51. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM

    Thanks Elise. I think they've changed again.

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  52. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    Jerry - don't you dare apologize!

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  53. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM

    Jerry D - hijack away!!! That's what friends are for!

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  54. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM

    I must say those are the most beautiful heartfelt lyrics.

    This is the story about ABINK from Eric, who met the band in LA. I know you all have seen this, but i thought I would put it here too:


    I figure now is the time to ask a Cure question, I said " Can I ask you a question about one of your new songs, The Boy I never knew? Robert says "of course" I ask, is it about a child that has died? or a child that a parent has not seen for some reason or another,,, or neither?"

    Robert told me that it was actually about both, He told me where the 2 stories came from and that he just put the 2 ideas together to make the song.


    So where did the stories come from??

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  55. vJune 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM

    (Doh posted this in the wrong thread first):

    Elise: I think what gets me the most is how real the loss seems - even though the blood and bones of this boy never existed, they are missed and longed for as if Robert had once held him in his arms. :( His sense of loss is so real, almost tangible. :(

    On another note, I've always been puzzled by the "Seems so long ago..." lyrics in this song...

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  56. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:56 PM

    So does Eric post here? He needs to spill the dirt!

    Also, did you all notice in Eric's story that he mentioned the doc put Robert on some drug, but he left the drug name blank? Wasn't that the same nite that Craig was joking about Robert being on drugs? Hmmmmm Craig?

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  57. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM

    Cat - interesting that it is a mix of two tales. Maybe goes to explain why it can touch us all in different ways.

    As for the reverb/echo - it does give a feeling of raw emotion, but such a simple song almost NEEDS to be told simply.

    V - yes, RS's emotion seems very raw. I think that is part of why it reaches us

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  58. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM

    corrosive, i have two cats too! for a long time i just had quetzal (for about 6-7 years), but i recently took in a stray. she was starving and doing really badly. she is doing much better now and is so hilarious. i think he is actually retarded, or at least socially clueless. anyway, i named her soleil, for her yellow fur. unfortunately, quetzal hates her and they do not get along. maybe someday...

    vivan los gatos!

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  59. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM

    Corrosive - I can understand other people feeling that way about their pets, I just can't seem to take that leap of faith.

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  60. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 4:00 PM

    elise, i think the echo is a bit much, but whatever...

    this would also make a great acoustic-only song.

    craig, any idea of this song is being shelved for the mythical never-to-happen xmas album?

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  61. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM

    I'm not sure about an acoustic version, but I definitely think it should be stripped back.

    Having said that, I think it is just beautiful.

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  62. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM

    i don't mean the official version being acoustic, just that sometimes they could perform it accoustically.

    this would have fit well on bf and i daresay might even be better than anything on bf, much as i adore that album.

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  63. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:14 PM

    It would have been much better on BF than Coming Up - not one of my faves. But OOTW will always and ever be my favourite. The perfect song at a time when I needed it.

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  64. The Ghost ScriptJune 11, 2008 at 4:20 PM

    that's nice of you to take those strays in clockwise. my two are just a bit over a year old, Boo is very smart, i've taught him to Shake, Sit, and lay down. Altr2elise- the next cat i get i'll name her Elise

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  65. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:22 PM

    13 days to go, and I would suggest we have a clear winner in the Favourite Song poll.

    The interesting thing would be to know if anyone does actually use the 'change vote' function. And if they do, will it be from UTS to ABINK? It gets better with each listen.

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  66. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM

    Corrosive - I love the name Elise - maybe I should get people to call me it in real life :)

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  67. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    Hey Craig - just noticed your 5 favourite Cure songs on the main blog page has been updated to include UTS - which song was ousted?

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  68. vJune 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

    Elise: Lol - I was trying to figure that out for myself while I was getting ready for bed last night. I'm so pathetic. Haha.

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  69. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM

    v - I wasn't sure when the change happened - thought maybe I was behind the times.

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  70. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM

    Elise - had to knock out Last Dance, but I think I need it back. Watching Trilogy last night made me remember that it's one of my "crucial" songs. : )

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  71. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM

    Craig - Last Dance is a personal favourite of mine. I don't think I could drop that.

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  72. vJune 11, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Craig: Ooh, "Last Dance" is a good one. It has gained a lot of meaning for me in the past few years...

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  73. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM

    Ok, I cheated. Top 6 songs now. : )

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  74. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM

    Craig: Six is my lucky number. :)

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  75. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM

    You cheat!!! You can't do that..... oh hang on, it's your site, you can do anything you want to. Besides that, why get locked in on a paradigm.

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  76. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM

    Well there you go. Lucky 6 it will stay. : )

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  77. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    I was just going to suggest the Top 6!!! You READ my mind! ;-)

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  78. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:07 PM

    Seriously - why don't we just make it top 11!

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  79. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:08 PM

    Jerry - Great minds think alike. : )

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  80. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 5:12 PM

    You know there's still what a half dozen tracks unheard from the new album? I see a possible Top 7 or maybe even 8! HA!

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  81. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM

    My top fave proper-album cure songs (in other words, excluding b-sides):

    Holy Hour
    Lost
    BF
    PS
    PHT

    HAHHAHHA just kidding.

    My final fave cure song is prolly Baby Screams.

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  82. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM

    Clockwise: LOL! Wouldn't it be awesome if they put a song on the new album that started with those letters? ;) Then we'd know they're on to us!!!

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  83. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:20 PM

    Jo's top 5

    OOTW
    Faith
    Trust
    Last Dance
    Want

    UTS would probably make the top 6

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  84. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM

    v - but they would probably think that PHT is for Penis Hungry Tarts

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  85. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    I will do Top 6 since it's my lucky #! :)

    In no particular order, and subject to change at any moment:

    1) Cold
    2) Disintegration
    3) Siamese Twins
    4) Doing the Unstuck
    5) Plainsong
    6) Underneath the Stars

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  86. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    Elise: I guess that works too. ;)

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  87. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM

    elise, coming up is not on the other versions of bf, just the aussie and jap versions. i do have coming up on jtd though. i like it a lot, but it really doesn't fit with bf at all. well, maybe a little since we have wmf and 39, but still. abink woulda been better.

    but i am looking forward to it on the new stuff - but craig still hasn't told me whether it's going to be on the sept album or the never to be released fictional xmas album. *sighs*

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  88. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM

    v - can't imagine why 6 is your lucky number - 6th hour of the sixth day of the sixth month girl!

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  89. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM

    Elise: >:)

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  90. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM

    Cat - forgot the Coming Up wasn't on the US version - it just doesn't seem to 'fit' in with the rest of the album.

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  91. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM

    Damn, I already feel guilty for leaving "Want", "Lost", and "Before Three" off my list!

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  92. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM

    Cat - NO ONE knows what will be on each album. Not even RS yet. : )

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  93. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    Oh, if we are doing top 6, then of course UTS would be in there... and actually, if the album version is as stunning as it's promising to be, then it will prolly trump PS or BF.. and i loves me those songs!

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  94. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    The thing about lists is that you have to be careful not to read anyone else's before you start - especially if you are easily swayed like me. But if you can do it on your own, then regardless of what you see later, it will be pretty close to being the 'true' list

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  95. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    Oh crap, I forgot "Bloodflowers"! I cannot make a list. There are too many favorites. :D

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  96. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    yeah, b43 should be on my list too.. along with most of bf and yes, the mighty heroin face! :-D

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  97. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:31 PM

    That's why I suggested a top 11

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  98. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM

    oh, and of course jupiter crash, edge of dgs, the blood, FIGUREHEAD (how could i forget that dark gem), 17 seconds, M, 100 years, the kiss (live version), want, where the birds, loudest sound, and on and on and on...

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  99. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM

    Elise: I should've taken your advice. I'm sure Craig, aka Mr. "Discipline", has no trouble making a Top 6, but someone like me just can't handle it! ;)

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  100. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:33 PM

    craig, RS better decide on the tracklisting PRONTO or heads are gonna roll!

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  101. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:33 PM

    Hmm...speaking of discipline... :)

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  102. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:35 PM

    I love V's list. All of these super dark and heavy songs...and Doing the Unstuck right in the middle. Gotta love it! : )

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  103. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:35 PM

    and when you say "each album" surely you jest? cuz, like, there ain't gonna be no second album. robert is dreaming! stay off the acid, bobby!

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  104. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:36 PM

    Don't forget Apart, Jumping, Push, Hanging Garden, Untitled, and.... and.... and.....

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  105. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 5:38 PM

    I couldn't do a top 5 (or even 6) faves, way too tough. I'd probably have a lot easier time doing a top 5 least favorite Cure tunes!

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  106. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:38 PM

    elise, pretty much every song except for just say yes and dredd song ;-)

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  107. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:39 PM

    Craig: :) :) "Doing the Unstuck" will always be one of my top favorites. That song means so, so much to me. :) Reminds me of my first show, and how magical and perfect everything was that night...listening to it makes me feel that magic all over again. :')

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  108. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:40 PM

    peeps, i have a dinner date with my man, so i gots to go get ready. i will miss part of the chat tonite but will catch up wit' ya'lls laters!

    ps ft laud is only two days away! craig, i can do special reports again if you want... i'll be 6th row

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  109. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:42 PM

    Bye bye, Clockwise! (I can't decide whether to call you Clockwise or Cat, so I am alternating! ;) ) Enjoy your dindin!

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  110. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:43 PM

    tx. i'm buying tonite, so it better be GOOD

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  111. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:43 PM

    See ya Cat.

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  112. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 5:43 PM

    Have a great dinner Cat! We'll be here when you get back!

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  113. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 5:45 PM

    and on the other side of the world - I've gotta organise some breakfast and get ready for work - although, I'm not going in until the concert is over, but it's easier to get organised now.

    Back soon.... don't go changin'

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  114. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM

    Ha Jerry. I was going to say the same thing. I can't do a top 5. Would be impossible as I would have about 50 songs tied at #5....Now top 5 I don't like I can do..

    1) Gone
    2) Strange Attraction
    3) Never
    4) Object
    5) Dredd Song/ Just Say Yes

    Well, so it's my top 6 songs I don't like....But I don't think I could make a top 10 songs I don't like, as that is about it....

    And Cat, Never Enough and Wrong Number are great with Porl back...He tears it up on those songs!!!! Come on...

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  115. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM

    Wyatt - aw man, cut Strange Attraction some slack. Am I the only one who loves it? It's fun, it's sweet, it's sad...so much to love!

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  116. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 5:54 PM

    Ha Craig....Can't do that for you buddy.. Been trying to like it for, what, 13 years now??

    I am going to send you an email tomorrow with a cure request that you might be able to get in the right hands...

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  117. vJune 11, 2008 at 5:54 PM

    Craig: I am not ashamed to admit it: I love "Strange Attraction."

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  118. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 5:54 PM

    so heartbreaking, this song. :c

    robert's voice is amazingly strong in the video, too.

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  119. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 5:55 PM

    OK Wyatt since you did yours I'll indulge, in no particular order of course:

    1) The Caterpillar
    2) Screw
    3) The 13th
    4) So What
    5) Catch

    Man that was actually hard after the 13th, I had to really think about it!

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  120. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 5:57 PM

    Catch!?!? WTF. : )

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  121. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 5:58 PM

    ps: jerry, i will keep your family in my prayers :)

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  122. Clockwise CatJune 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM

    MOST of WMS rocks, including Strange Attraction! WMS is my 5th favorite Cure album....YES I EVEN LIKE IT BETTER THAN DISINTEGRATION! SUCK ON THAT SUKAZ!

    Top five cure albums are HOTD/BF/FAITH/17-PORNO(TIED)/WMS

    After that they're all pretty equal to me. :-)

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  123. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM

    Yeah Craig, never been a big fan of it... But if it's any consolation it's my last one! I could have had a top 4!

    Thank you Sofia, very sweet of you!

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  124. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM

    also, you look like my tio! :D

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  125. CraigJune 11, 2008 at 6:02 PM

    V rocks! : )

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  126. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 6:02 PM

    I trust that's a good thing Sofia! ;-)

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  127. vJune 11, 2008 at 6:04 PM

    Craig: :)

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  128. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:07 PM

    least favorite top 5:

    1. numb
    2. the empty world
    3. screw
    4. club america
    5. never

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  129. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM

    ha ha Sofia....I love Club America and was so hoping to hear it in Tx this tour..

    Shows how we all view and react differently to certain songs

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  130. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM

    jerry, totally :) he's the most awesome dude. he likes the cure too.
    (i'm 30, he's young. dont worry! :P)

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  131. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:09 PM

    wyatt, as long as you dont like numb i don't care what you hate! ;)

    i could really make a full list of songs i dislike because frankly, there arent that many...

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  132. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    Funny, I hate Numb too...I think more than half of the songs that I just don't like (around 7-8) are from WMS...Not sure why....It has some phenomenal songs as well

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  133. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:17 PM

    in chronological order, my hated cure songs (and when i say "hated" i mean i won't ever ever listen to them no matter what. there's a whole other list of songs i could just care less about):

    a reflection/the final sound (pointless in my estimation)

    wailing wall
    the empty world
    screw
    club america
    round & round...
    numb
    return
    trap (but i love wms otherwise!)
    every song on bloodflowers except for ootw makes me go "meh"
    just say yes
    s/t i'm also "meh" on

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  134. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 6:19 PM

    Oh I wasn't worried Sofia! Ah 30... How I remember those days... I'll be 41 in a couple of weeks, Waahhhh! ;-)

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  135. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM

    I love how this thread has twisted and turned today!

    We seriously need a chatline huh? Craig, get right on it huh?

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  136. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:22 PM

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  137. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:22 PM

    i was saying a while back how wms was the most inconsistent album ever in the history of the world. you got your undeniable cure classics and you have the worst crap they ever put out

    and someone tried to argue with me that i was stupid and that they called it "wild mood swings" for a reason "duh". well uhm no, actually. you can have an album be here and there but still consistently GOOD. just because it's called wild mood swings they purposely decided to make an undercooked album? i think not. sorry, pal.

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  138. altr2eliseJune 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM

    *can't believe her eyes* Sofia says meh to BF!!!!! SOfia, this is my all time fave. I guess that's the beauty of the Cure

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  139. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:32 PM

    elise, i know :c i'm definitely in the severe minority on this one! but i gotta stay true!

    and really "meh" isnt the same as HATE. although i used to hate it. i just don't listen to it, really. i don't care. to me, trilogy was like "one of these things is not like the other" and bf was the odd man out. it doesnt feel completely genuine to me. it feels like trying to hard.
    but i know. i get crucified for it everytime!

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  140. BassVI WyattJune 11, 2008 at 6:32 PM

    Funny thing about WMS is Robert said it was one of their 3 best albums when it was released....He now admits there were a lot of flaws on it.....

    But it does have some total crap and than total brilliance....Crazy and probably the only album that each track is either genius or garbage for the most part.

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  141. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 6:39 PM

    wyatt, i know right?
    wms was a "concept album". and the concept was what? to suck only half the time. it's ridiculous. wms. incredible, man...
    what a strange time in the lives of cure fans!

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  142. Jerry DJune 11, 2008 at 6:42 PM

    Well in his defense it's a little hard to sell records if you trash the record upon it's release. Also you know how hindsight works, 20/20 baby! I don't hate WMS but I'll agree with most here, it's hit and miss at best.

    We're all Cure fans but it's nice to see how we're all just a little different with our likes and dislikes. I usually get stares when I mention that the Top is one of my favorites Cure albums!

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  143. sofiaJune 11, 2008 at 7:01 PM

    jerry, mine too! completely underrated album! at least- thats how it feels to me!
    id give near anything to hear birdmad girl!

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  144. revoltJune 12, 2008 at 4:51 AM

    My favourite 6:

    1 - A Forest
    2 - One Hundred Years
    3 - Faith
    4 - Pornography
    5 - The Kiss
    6 - The Same Deep Water as You

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  145. revoltJune 12, 2008 at 4:56 AM

    My least favourite 6 (from albums):

    1 - Mint Car
    2 - Round and Round and Round
    3 - Never
    4 - Club America
    5 - Strange Attraction
    6 - Cut

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  146. the Big GingeJune 12, 2008 at 5:24 AM

    hi there - back again:

    Corrosive mate: there's some pictures of my sprogs on my myspace site - it's in my blog profile. Is the Cure lullabies thing any good?

    Jerry: some friends of ours have been on a similar journey - all appears well now - keep finding the strength - I'm in awe of you

    On the subject of odd fave album choices: I met my wife after a mutual friend conspired for us to meet after finding out we'd both been to the Hyde Park gig in 2002. She says the best Cure album is Japanese Whispers, she's serious and immovable on it.

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  147. the Big GingeJune 12, 2008 at 5:57 AM

    Top 6 this week:

    1. Plainsong
    2. Push
    3. Last Day of Summer
    4. Charlotte Sometimes
    5. How Beautiful...
    6. M

    Sun's out here, so feeling bright!

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  148. The Ghost ScriptJune 12, 2008 at 9:13 AM

    Big Ginge, yes the Cure lullabyes are acutally good. I wouldn't listen to them over listening to the real thing but they are perfect for sending your baby into a floating Cure slumber.

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  149. The Ghost ScriptJune 12, 2008 at 9:15 AM

    Speaking of wild mood swings.... i know a lot of people hate the jazzy tracks on that album but i can't help but blare the song GONE when wifey wakes up in a bad mood "oh you know how it is
    wake up feeling blue
    and everything that could be wrong is
    including you
    black clouds and rain and pain in your head
    and all you want to do is stay in bed BUT IF YOU DO THAT YOU'LL BE MISSING THE WORLD"

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  150. The Ghost ScriptJune 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM

    Hey now.... why does everyone hate numb?? Really though i want to know, why does everyone hate it? like real reasons?

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  151. revoltJune 12, 2008 at 9:36 AM

    "Hey now.... why does everyone hate numb?? Really though i want to know, why does everyone hate it? like real reasons"

    Well, i don't hate it, but as far as slow moody songs go, I don't thimk it is one of their best, music-wise.

    As for the lyrics:

    "he doesn't have the strength left for the fight
    says all he wants is the drug
    the one that makes him numb
    the one that stops him feeling at all
    he just wants to take the drug
    forget everyone
    he doesn't want to care anymore
    just keeps loving the drug
    the one that makes him numb
    the one that stops him feeling at all
    just keeps loving the drug
    the drug that he's become
    he isn't really here anymore...

    and that makes me cry"


    Kind of lame, no?

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  152. The Ghost ScriptJune 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM

    yeah they aren't horribly poetic by any means... but i like the whole drug addict idea of the song... it's not one of my favs but i do most certainly enjoy listening to it when i put that album in. Fuck Club America though....

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  153. Jerry DJune 12, 2008 at 1:30 PM

    Thanks Ginge! I love hearing stories like that, gives me unbelievable hope for the future!

    Be in awe of my son, he's endured it all like a trooper! When I think all he's been through it's amazing, he's my hero!

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  154. cure_kittyJune 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM

    Wow what a video! I really love this song & I'm glad they played it at least once on this tour. Deeply moving.

    jerry---I hope you son does well with the transplant & has a speedy recovery! Best Wishes to him & your family!

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