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how do you have the CD booklet already?
Thanks Craig :)Is it possible to have a full scan of the booklet and the cd ?I can´t wait any longer to have this cd on my hands.Oh God, 10 days more...:( * tears rolling down *
Chris and Shawn - hey i was right about kimono coral floral print!!!
So, how's the CD, Craigers? Rate it in relation to past albums when you get the chance, "Wish" and "Disintegration" included, maybe even include the entire catalogue.
Yeah, geez, Craig, what a tease! How's the cd???
I am so excited. Thanks for sharing, Craig!!
I have locked my self away in a tower until I own the CD. None of that "MTV live" crap for me. Don't want to spoil anything (I wont even read the lyrics, although I do appreciate Craig putting them up) :)
Stream of "The Hungry Ghost"http://www.imeem.com/thecure/playlist/yw0QAatZ/413_dream_music_playlist/
Can't believe people have the CD in hand and no one has leaked it. Madness!
Sorry but this version of The Hungry Ghost sounds horrible... these vocal effects and the way Robert sings... it's not as half as good as the Live version. :(
I agree in spirit with AndrewV127. I've listened to the MTV thing a few times, but I wish I hadn't given in to the temptation. I fear ruining the enjoyment I'll get from the album.I did have the strength of will to avoid listening to the mp3 of UTS, though. As Robert says at the end of The Promise, I'm still waiting...
I hope that isn't the album version of the Hungry Ghost or that the MP3 has been cocked up or something. I really don't like that type of mix, its very murky and the vocal effect is too high.I hope thats a demo or something...I have the hope that there was no effect on his voice in Rome.
Beau: That is the album version.
The vocal effects were not needed, if you ask me.
Not a good sign for the album... I really can't stand this vocal effects... their're ruin the song for me.
Well, given the mediocre production on the singles, it's possible that Keith Uddin completely fucked 4:13 Dream as well, and we may have another casualty of the 'Loudness War' on our hands. I'll be one sad bastard, but I'm worried that this is going to be the unfortunate truth. God, I hope I'm wrong, but production outside of the indie realm is getting worse and worse...
Oh bummer :(. Thanks Craig, is the whole song in that style or just the chorus?It just sounds over-dramatic to me from that little clip but that could be because its building up to the the "never satisfy the Hungry Ghost" part.
You have to really listen but the Rome version of THG does have the high-pitched backround vocals looped/taped during the chorus.
you guys wine too much, lord... I'm really enjoying the hungry ghost, it really feels like the band put there collective "all" into this. Also kudos that is sounds original, and the lyrics are a bit less literal than some of the singles. :D
You can't hear the entire song on imeem?
Why does Robert sing that way? It fucking ruins everything. He used to have brilliant ideas about his singing in the past... just look at Club America or Harold and Joe... this sonor singing fits Robert perfectly...
moontear: why does he sing anyway at all? It's been 30 years, maybe he's trying something new. Sheesh.
For whatever it's worth, Hungry Ghost was the only disappointment on the album. I love The Scream and This. Here and Now. With You, so much more now!
I'm starting to warm to that clip a bit now. As long as its just the chorus then I think it should be ok. It could actually be a good thing because Roberts voice sounded quite weak on the Rome version. (there is a slight loop in the background as lysdexia points out)I had a similar feeling when I listened to 30 sec clips of the singles but in the end, I ended up liking them when I heard the whole song.
He's trying that way of singing for a while now. Like with I don't know what's going on on the self-titled record... and it's just annoying to hear him howl that way. Listen to the Rome Live Version... this kind of singing fits him, fits the song a thousand times better.
Crag: So a 180 on THANWY from your initial reaction?
Lysdexia: Yes! I never really connected with THANWY or Scream, from the live versions, but on the album, they might be my top 2 favorites, after UTS.
I'm glad to hear that about THANWY and The Scream. Those are the two songs that I didn't like too much at the Rome show.I hope Switch isn't spoiled! Hopefully made better.
...people just wait until the album comes out before slitting your wrists! You'll short-circuited your keyboards...
Craig: Regarding THANWY, too many guitar/6-string bass tracks embedded in the Rome version to disect but stucio version brings them to the frontA poppy "Holy Hour"
*Slits wrists with a monocle*
I'm going crazy not being able to hear this.
No no no you got it all wrong. Monocles are for slitting eyeballs exclusively. Find something else.
I don't think anyone should slit their wrists, this is a great album. At least to me it is.
Craig: I'm sure it is :). The production could be fuzzy as fuck as far as I concerned and it won't completely spoil the songs because you can tell from the Rome show they are excellent songs :).I was just a little shocked at the vocal effect on that chorus :).
So how is the UTS album version??? Is it really different from the version that Lenoir played at his show?
*Passes Hynreck the bloody monocle* :)
*locked in the tower with Andrewv127*I too have avoided the temptation to listen to the live versions of the new songs.I am waiting patiently for my cd.Only 6 more sleeps in the Land of Oz!!!
At least we'll all be able to hear it on the 24th when it comes out in Germany and Italy.
craig, so is it brilliant or just good? or great? or better than great? best since?*dying*
Thanks Craig, it´s so much better to know the lyrics when you listen to the mtv show (i coulodn´t resist). Now i know what Bob is talking about! ;)The Scream is also my favorit.Must be a killer !
Yeah, only six more days !!!
Like Tom Petty said: yeah, the waiting is the hardest part.
Moontear: The UTS on the album sounds exactly the same as the Lenoir one. Just in higher, clearer quality. It's absolutely brilliant. I think I might like it better than the live versions.
Sofia: I'm saying great. To me. But remember, I loved Bloodflowers. : )
Craig said "it's great.... but remember I loved Bloodflowers"Sounds great to me - I *still* love Bloodflowers - roll on Saturday!
I loved Bloodflowers for the first year, then I realized it wasn't so great. Had the same experience with WMS -- before I even got onto the internet, really. I was excited about "The Cure" (including all the songs released from those session) also, but it too a lot less time to get tired of. Still don't know if Bloodflowers or The Cure is better, but both are disappointing.
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Elise and Andrew - I am hanging on with you! Eeep!I am a little conflicted, though. I have evening commitments on Tuesday nights. So, when the CD comes out, I won't be able to immediately listen to it. Unless, of course, I skip rehearsal.. hmmm...
craig, haha ;p i know! i had to take that into account! ;)
Kimono Coral Floral Print :)http://www.ardenb.com/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=139&productId=12429#ClosePopup
A couple things about "The Real Snow White":The Real Snow White = Cocaine"3 day hole" = K HoleI don't care how sexual you think the song is, he is singing about drugs and using sexual metaphors to describe the experience. if Robert doesn't do drugs anymore, then it doesn't mean he can't write about it from a 3rd person perspective or from past experiences.Robert Smith's songs are never as obvious as the words lead one to believe. Robert will probably tell you "The Real Snow White" is actually about a Disney movie... then we'll all look like idiots.
g, as attractive as you are ;) i do have to disagree a bit and say that art is both reflexive and evocative.and while it's true that robert often uses metaphor to imply things, without his stated subtext, the song's subject matter makes me very ill indeed. art has a tendency to be obvious to the casual viewer/listener and as a casual (at the moment as i don't have the cd) listener, the subtext is unclear to me and i find the lyrics very disturbing.
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sofia, you thought FTEOTDGS was sexual. it was about drugs. so i believe you're wrong about TRSW.
why can't it be both, g? it would not be unheard of for them to go hand in hand.
sofia, i haven't claimed they don't go hand in hand. that is what makes songs like FTEOTDGS so easy to misinterpret. in my mind, TRSW is in a similar vein.
How do we know he's not using drug metaphors to describe a sexual (or other type of) experience? ;)
Okay, I know there are plenty of Cure songs that make references to drugs... The Big Hand, Icing Sugar, Out Of Mind, too many to count really...In NONE of those songs does he make reference to another person separate from himself, especially "woman" or "female", like he does in TRSW. You can't tell me that this song has nothing to do with SEX. It's been stated by other posters here, but I think Robert is getting A LOT less metaphorical."Don't stareI know the dress is tight""I didn't need to get, IDIt's simply minimum height!"That ain't drugs he's talking about!There's a lot more to this song than drugs... I'm completely certain of it.
i take it to be a song about both sex and drugs, maybe a sexual experience with drugs. thats my interpretation
"I didn't need to get, IDIt's simply minimum height!"and what means this??i think it's clear he is talking not just about drugs, because when he says You Are Not The Real Snow White, The Real Snow White Is On My Knee, he is making difference between a drug and something else that of course is a person! Or am i wrong??Anyway.. some of the lyrics makes me also think about love, when he says he maybe wants to start again, to fall again, to stay again... if its just a sexual esperience, why he says this??And another think.. when he says Its Only For Tonight And I Will Give It Back Tomorrow I Swear, don't you think he is making humor?I'm pretty interested to this song, i was in rome when they played it live and i heard Robert saying that has been hard for him to play this song in front of people, so i was really curios about the lyrics!
I believe he is describing the drug as a woman. It's seductive, and he's flirting with it."Don't stareI know the dress is tight""I didn't need to get, IDIt's simply minimum height!"TRSW (cocaine) looks attractive and tempting to him, he doesn't need to ask a drug for identification "It's simply minimum height!", it's available to him and he simply accepts it.
yes but so why he says You Are Not The Real Snow White, The Real Snow White Is On My Knee, i really believe it's on that point that we can understand it's not just drug!
LOLI'm sorry g, but I take quite a few of these lyrics literally. As I said before, Robert is becoming less and less metaphorical. While I think he does make some metaphorical references, parts of it are very literal. In comparing this song to other Cure songs with drug references, this one just doesn't fit too neatly.No one will ever convince me that this song is JUST about drugs... unless Robert fucking Smith himself says so... and EVEN then....
[g]: But he makes references to multiple drugs (ketamine, acid, ecstasy). That seems to suggest to me that he is using drug metaphors to describe something else... :) You think he's describing the drug as a woman, but I think he's comparing the woman to a drug. :)Or maybe he just took a lot of different drugs, then went on the Snow White ride at Magic Kingdom! :)
Snow white is common slang term for cocaine."You Are Not The Real Snow White, The Real Snow White Is On My Knee"A good point to bring up. This is sort of where my initial theory collapses. He tells the drug that it's a useless worthless thing that isn't so great, and that TRSW (his REAL drug) is Mary. As she sits on his knee, Robert describes how much greater she is than any drug.man, I really give Robert too much credit sometimes.And if you want to believe that
(Oops... cut myself off...)And if you want to believe that, to try to create that romantic notion in the song, then it starts to appear slightly less sleazy.
[g]: Aww, but the sleaze is the best part, regardless of who/what he's really singing about. ;)
See, you're assuming that the "real drug" is Mary. But he keeps talking about how he wouldn't fall/start/stay, with anyone ELSE, along with "breaking promises" that he made to himself, and how promises are meant to be "broken":“You know how it is with these promises Made in the heat of the momentThey're made to be broken in two”If anything, it sounds as though he’s talking about being "unfaithful".
EXACTLYthat's the point i was trying to bring up,when he says those words, i start to imagine a new love, that for unknown reasons he describe as a drug esperiencethe point that i still miss ishe tells to the woman that she ISN'T snow white(probably as disney character) because snow white is cocaine... i can't understand why he says this, the meaning this line got compared to the rest of the lyric. it's still a strange lyric...LOLwe'll probably never know
Go right ahead and think Robert Smith is writing about sleazy times with groupies.I tried to put a different spin on it for the sake of my dear sofia (even though I hate Robert gushing), but I'm frankly tired of trying to convince anyone Robert would be so faithful to Mary.Sure, maybe he wrote "the only one" about Mary... but then on the same album I guess he needed to include a song about how he was unfaithful. Fair enough.
"sleazy times with groupies" LOLI honestly don't care what he does with his personal life, it has little bearing on how I feel about him. But I will say, that given the content of the lyrics, some being very obvious, TRSW sounds an awful lot like an affair of some sort.I was never clear on who or what he was speaking so fondly of in The Only One…
g: well, my Only One, if you're going to mention mary then i should say that when we were discussing song titles i said the real snow white absolutely HAD to be about mary (bigger, brighter, wider than snow).but the rest? it's still all a lurid blur to me...
nobody here wants to say that robert is unfaithful with mary in the real life. we just talk about what the lyrics seems to say, but of course, we have no clue about his private life.Anyway, i still think that the words he uses on this song, are very humoristic in some parts,said this, i really can't wait to hear the studio version!
well, sofia, my Only One, good point.let me also say that Robert has said in interviews that he often writes from a perspective that is entirely NOT his own. "Want" is an example of where he explained it the lyrics were not his personal views. so we can't assume anything about any of these songs to be personal.
'this is a lie' was, also, a song with a disparate point of view than his own. he said it was the only song he ever had to explain to mary.
Disclaimer - Put no faith in these comments - I have not heard the song or read the lyrics ;)Based on the comments on COF only, I wouldn't put it past Robert to use drugs as a metaphor for 'his' addiction for a woman. And just because, he is writing about this addictive woman, does NOT mean that he has been unfaithful to Mary. A fantasy can be every bit as addictive as reality or maybe he is just drawing on someone else's experience. Not all songs are necessarily autobiographical - This Is A Lie is a perfect example of this.Also, Robert has indicated many times in the past that a lot of his songs are made up of many different topics - there is no reason to think that that cannot happen here.BTW, that is the question I actually sent to the Official Shite - does he still mix and match his songs, or are they now subject specific?I'm Kent Brockman and that's my two cents!!
my dear elise-future-girl, it's clear great minds think alike. as usual.and i'd like to add i think it's only fair that you get your cd like, a full 3 days ahead of the rest of us because you've been so good not to spoil the experience.
Good point Mr. Brockman ! :PWe really can’t know for sure I suppose.[g]- Um, while that IS true for some songs, he's mentioned several times how Want is about him."How I feel sometimes". (Cure News 18 - October 1997)"It's the closest to how I am most of the time, as I am in the band, this never ending desire for more" (Gaffa (Danish music magazine) Feb 2000)I wouldn’t be surprised if TRSW is 'connected' to Mary in some way, but there are definitely other people (women) mentioned in that song…
Sofia - IT'S TRUE!!! We do have great minds!I'm starting to get excited about the cd, only 5 more sleeps (officially), but 'unofficially' I'm hoping it is only 4!!!
5 sleeps is nothing, m'dear! i still have 8 sleeps to go! UNBAREABLE! oh but you'll have to write a giant post when you get it and give us all the scoop!
Sofia - 8 sleeps is not too long - cast your mind back to when it was months!!! In 9 days time, we will have forgotten the wait altogether!!!As for me writing a review, I am not very good at writing reviews - I think I lack the indepth perceptions that others on this site have - case in point, Mr Parker!
helsabot:"Want - It's kind like a sister song to a song we did a few years ago, called Never Enough. It has the same emotion. There are some things that I ask for in the song that is not really me" (The Cure - January 1996MTV)
elise, just think about the poor people of japan (17 more days!!!)*makes face*
[g]- hmm, well, the only thing we're proving now is that Robert Smith contradicts himself! I am too shocked for words.... Of course, my last quote was more recent than yours. XD
helsabot: it is not unusual for him to change his mind about things over time. things that he didn't agree with a year ago, became agreeable with him. :)
Well I could understand if it was just an opinion about something random...but at first he's like "It's not really ME..." and just ONE year later "IT'S ME!", or it's how I feel sometimes...I say that man is one giant, tormented conundrum of hairspray and make-up... <3
helsa, the man is one complicated dude that doesn't mind that we pour over interviews over the years to catch him in his lies! he's messing with us *shifty eyes*g, xoxo. (as usual)
Thanks for the lyrics craig! I wasn't going to look at them but I couldn't resist. And I think the Real Snow White about an affair too but the meaning could be taken several different ways. I've only listened to it once so I can't say if I like it or not until I hear it some more which will be in 7 days!