Monday, July 5, 2010
Entreat vs. Entreat Plus
"The Cure 24.07.1989 London - Wembley Arena. 30 second comparisons of the 1989 mix vs. the 2010 mix. It's pretty obvious, the effects of digial mixing vs. real faders, outboard gear, tape masters, recording trends in general & 35+ years of loud music. For educational purposes only." (Thanks Michael)
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*facepalm*
ReplyDeleteSeriously??
One very specific oddity I've noticed between Entreat and Entreat Plus is on Closedown. On Entreat, Simon's bass comes in at the 15 second mark....but on Entreat Plus his bass starts at 5 seconds, immediately after Boris's tempo clicks.....on both the last click off comes in at 5 seconds, Entreat the bass starts 10 seconds later, while on Entreat Plus the bass line starts right after the clicks at 5 seconds.....where is the Warren Commission on this one?!?! In addition, the newly added songs sound very different. Lullaby stands out to out, sounds thin, tinny and sped up......
ReplyDeleteHas it occured to you that Entreat Plus has different takes of the songs taken from those three shows that weren't on the origial release??
ReplyDeleteMight help if I actually include the link. : )
ReplyDeleteCraig - Did you see my post about the Tolhurst/Dempsey interview?
ReplyDeleteI like the new one better. The old Entreat seems like a lot of the stuff gets drowned out and you lose some little details. Just my opinion though, I'm sure others will completely disagree. :)
ReplyDeleteI would like the same analysis for the last 3 albums
ReplyDeletecompared to the mix of Wish and WildMoodSwings
(Sorry for the Fuck'n mutterings on the internet) hehe :) Great package anyway
But i'd really like the next albums to have a "NORMAL" great sound as most of the good stuff put out there
@Rob are you sure you're not mixing up the two mixes? it seems quite the opposite to me.
ReplyDeleteNotherbob: Yes, but I had posted about that interview back on Sept. 25th, 2008. I originally posted those video clips on Vimeo, but that account (along with my original YouTube account) got deleted due to some of the European tv clips that I posted.
ReplyDeleteBut I will update that old post, just in case someone searches for it.
Okay.. Ta for replying!
ReplyDelete.. agree with rob , old sounds kinda muddy and murky and one dimesional whilst the new one has a lot more sparkle , i understand why some folks dont like the drums bein so high in the mix but i fr one likes it.( kinda like high v's the only one..much more sparkle in the newbie.lol.)
ReplyDeleteplus.. id rather have a NEW mix - we've TWO versions now rather than just a louder version of the old one so i dont really get the complaints
to me the older mix has more air in it more space... and more dynamics. i also think that there is a bump in the 500hz range that is gone in the new mix... tends to make roberts voice sound younger in the new mix as well as adds more snap to the snare.
ReplyDeletei prefer the old mix.
@Lindsey - I agree with you that people are confusing the two mixes, which is in part because of the sequencing of the content and the title of the YouTube video (should be "2009 v 1989 Mixes," not the other way around, i.e. we hear the new clip first, and then the old, and so on).
ReplyDeleteWhile the original Entreat is quieter, if you will, the biggest tip-off in terms of hearing the difference in sound seems to be the snare drum. On the original "Entreat," it has that loud, crisp crack that you'd expect with live drums. On "Entreat Plus," it's a softer snare hit, perhaps toned down so the overall volume could be increased comfortably without the snare giving your ears major fatigue.
The sound of Entreat Plus has nothing to do with digital vs analog or anything like that. It is just piss-poor mixing and mastering. Period. The original Entreat was mixed to be wide open and airy... there was lots of space between the instruments, and even each individual drum. You could easily identify any sound of any single instrument at any point in any song. The new mix is completely devoid of this. All of the sound is almost dead center in the mix... it's almost completely mono and it's missing any sense of dynamic range.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the packaging stated something to the effect of "Mixed @ Home by R. Smith". Well, there is no doubt of this at all, it sounds exactly like something that was created in the bedroom studio of a beginner recordist.... or by somebody with ears blasted to hell by over 30 years of performing loud rock music.
yeah i definitely think a lot of people are confusing the two mixes - watch which cover is showing while it plays.
ReplyDeletebut for those of you who really do like the new mix, no complaints by me. i'd love to enjoy it so much.
This is a great example of the shambles that was made of Entreat Plus.
ReplyDeleteFor anyone who says they prefer Entreat Plus mix over the orignal Entreat mix, I would seriously question your hearing.
Entreat Plus is such a missed opportunity
The differences are obvious.I hadn't been listening to E+ much until now, because the Original album is glued to my stereo and sounds fxxxing huge! No one's been complaining about that one, and that's a good thing:)
ReplyDeleteEntreat Plus sounds bad! it was a such a great opportunity for RSX to make something GOOD & BIG out of an old recording. But he missed it.
ReplyDeleteEntreat Plus is a piece of sh*t!
The main problem with Entreat Plus is the snare has that shitty wet cardboard box snare sound The Cure have had since 1995.
ReplyDeleteWhere has the trait metallic reverbed sounding snare sound gone which was part of why The Prayer Tour sounded so amazing ?
The hi-hat sounds pretty muffled too.
It seems to me Robert has never given a fuck about good drum sound, first he employs Jason, then turns Boris' drumming into a totally shit mix.
Anyway I'm done with talking about this stuff, I've been sick of The Cure having shit drums for 15 years now...
no, not confused sorry.
ReplyDeleteI like them both but the old one sounds very "tinny" I think you can hear all of the guitars more clearly.
I also prefer not to have the drums be the loudest part of the song. Entreat plus just seems more balanced to me. For those of you who like the old one, let it stay your favorite. I'm not going to tell you what you should like best. Definitely not going to tell you one is horrible and one is great. Also not going to tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about or question your hearing.
I'm not denying the problems with the new mix, especially since I've never owned the old version, but what I don't like about the old mix is the louder drums; very annoying. It's the same complaint I have about "Seventeen Seconds" -- percussion that's way too loud and deafens your ears while trying to hear the more subtle instruments.
ReplyDeleteI worry about the loudness wars, though.
To credit Robert I do think some things are better on Entreat Plus, for example Porl's guitar spread over left and right instead of just being left, and some of the vocals and keys sound a bit better too, but why totally change the sound of the drums and completely remove the huge metallic reverb sound which was a trait part of the epic Prayer Tour sound ?, I've heard most if not all the 'higher end quality' Prayer Tour recordings in circulation and none of them have such dull shitty boring lifeless snare sound as Entreat Plus, even the Bremen-Frankfurt-Arles Prayer Tour soundboard has better sounding snare with the more metallic reverbed sounding snare, Dallas also isn't quite as bad as Entreat Plus.
ReplyDeleteAs a huge Boris / drum fan it really detracts from the enjoyement of the listening experience, especially knowing that it doesn't actually sound the way it originally sounded.
@Rob: The thing is that with Entreat Plus you ARE NOT hearing a 1989 concert as this IS NOT how The Cure sounded like on those days!
ReplyDeleteI can notice you are a new fan and sadly you grew up with the bad sound of Jason but believe us, Entreat Plus is a joke... a very bad joke.
I have the GREEN Entreat from 1989, I prefer this one to the BLUE one from 1991 and the new 2010 versions.
ReplyDeleteIt comes down to dynamics vs loudness... and that is what Disintegration was about, atmosphere. Remember "This music was mixed to be played loud... so turn it up!"
If I want loudness that is just what I will do.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDelete@Rob i meant no offense. i really do think it is great that you enjoy the new mix. i must admit that i do think it was a bit of a missed opportunity, but any live cure in pleasant to my ears. and i am of course very happy that deluxe edition of disintegration finally saw its release date. the quality of the mixes, that's just left up to personal opinion.
ReplyDeleteI really cannot fathom that anyone would prefer Entreat Plus.
ReplyDeleteNow I know that there are some fans who would take a pile of Roberts shit on a plate and call it a masterpiece. This is ridiculous though.
It's almost like it is a placebo effect in many ways. People see the words "Remixed and Remastered" and that implies it is better. Arguably if it needed to be remeastered and remixed that means there was something wrong with it in the first place right?
WRONG!!!
Why he didn't leave the original 8 tracks alone and use them as a guide for the four new tracks will be another addition to Roberts collection of bizarre and questionable actions.
Wow, I have to agree with what most are saying: the new mix is quite unfortunate. I'm no audiophile, but Entreat Plus sounds like I'm listening to the original Entreat underwater.
ReplyDeleteOne poster (truefaith00) left the following comment on the YouTube video which I think nicely sums up what likely transpired with the new mix:
"I don't have a problem with the drums, or anything in the 1989 mix. Why? Because that is EXACTLY how the Cure sounded in 1989 on the Prayer Tour. Robert biased the 2009 mix towards the "2009 live Cure sound" which pales in comparison to the Prayer and Wish tours."
I have to agree to completely.
I Agree.
ReplyDeleteOn the other side, put aside mixing considerations, E+, as a bonus disc concept, stands out.
It's just great to have all the album in a live version (just like the 93 live album of DM). It's something I would listen to more often.
I Wish the next Cure album would have the best sound EVER :)
"have the GREEN Entreat from 1989, I prefer this one to the BLUE one from 1991 and the new 2010 versions."
ReplyDeleteum.. the Green (UK promo) and Blue (final retail) sleeves are the same release. No difference at all, except for the covers.
@Lindsey
ReplyDeleteNo offense taken, no worries.
@Richard
I am a newer Cure fan I guess, I mean I became a fan in '94 so I never saw them live with Boris. I've just heard them live through all of their live albums and bootlegs that I have.
I can understand why you prefer the old one. I have no problems with it myself. I just prefer the new one.
Either way, it is an extra disc on top of the free downloads of extra rarities and the live Dallas show. So I guess I have trouble complaining. Also, definitely not going to call it a "pile of Roberts shit on a plate"
I'm glad to have Entreat Plus...I've been waiting 20 years for complete live version of Disintegration that was recorded in 1989. Thank you Robert.
ReplyDelete@ross: ALL OF US have been waiting 20 years for a complete version of Entreat but the wait WAS NOT worth it!
ReplyDeleteThe first time I heard E+ I went to PUKE!
BAD BAD WORK ROBERT SMITH! SHAME ON YOU MAN!
The new one completely kicks the butt of the original. Amazing how the suttle stuff really sticks out now...for example during Desintegration around the 3:20 mark the reverb/echo feedback sound through the speakers.
ReplyDeletePaul McCartney once said when someone asked him the White Album would have been better with more editing: "It's the Beatles White Album, shut up!"
ReplyDeleteIt's Disintegration live on the Prayer Tour, shut up!
Paul McCartney once said when someone asked him the White Album would have been better with more editing: "It's the Beatles White Album, shut up!"
ReplyDeleteIt's Disintegration live on the Prayer Tour, shut up!
He's deaf too?! :)
ReplyDeletethe Big Ginge - Couldn't have summed it up any better if I tried!
ReplyDeleteYou lot are beginning to sound like the bunch of whingers on the official forum..
*shudders*
Maybe Smith should release Entreat as an OMF and we can all make our own mixes.
ReplyDeleteCall me a whinger all you want... I bought the CD version with my vinyl specifically for E+ and it turned out to be garbage. I suppose if we were allowed to return opened CDs for refund, we'd have not as much to whinge about.
ReplyDeleteAlright... If you bought the remastered Disintegration JUST for E+... erm... why?? (I'm not attacking, just asking... Don't kill me yet x] )I just don't understand this complaint... The remastering of the original album is AMAZING, even to me, and I'm not an audiophile. I'm also not arguing the too-typical "you're not a Cure fan!! You don't like every single thing they've ever done! Shame on you!" I'm saying that I think it's really awesome that we at least have the whole album... AND a fantastic remastering of it to boot. Maybe I've not been a Cure fan "long-enough", or I grew up with the "wrong" drum sound, but shouldn't we be at least kinda grateful for this whole awesome package...?
ReplyDeleteI did notice the drum sound differences, as everyone has. But, on some parts of the original Entreat the drums are very quiet, at least from what I can hear in this video. I can't buy Entreat at the moment but anyways... Maybe I'm wrong here? Well, on the original Entreat it seems like it's kinda hard to hear them... Could be wrong though, so don't stone me x]
Also... from what I can see, it seems that Bloodflowers wasn't very well-liked when it was released. But a lot of people now think it's pretty solid.. Or at least, I do haha. Is that perhaps the same that will happen to E+? Or am I wrong here too? Maybe I'm just a terrible Cure fan... Being too young and all... *grimace*
Wait a second? So since its Roberts band he has the right to release a subpar record?
ReplyDeleteI just don't get that line of thinking. So was it perfectly acceptable for him to tack on audience recordings to the Porno bonus disc when soundboard recordings existed?
Really? Come on folks!
I know we love to romanticize art and music, but at the end of the day he is releasing a product onto the market. Something they expect us to purchase. We have every right to complain about it when the quality control is clearly this lousy.
Ford Gods sake Robert! Stay away from Paris or Show. Or get Bryan New back and do it right.
BTW much respect goes out to Craig for posting this clip.
ReplyDeleteFatty Owls...you kill me! :)
ReplyDelete@notdeadyet: I think that the majority of the old fans bought Disintegration Deluxe for the Entreat CD, as most of us believe that the mastering and mix of the original Disintegration is great and didn't need of any sound fix or improvement.
ReplyDeleteAND you have to get the original Entreat and after that, give your points of view ;)
@ Notdeadyet:
ReplyDeleteI bought the CD version specifically for E+ because that was the only way to purchase a hard copy of the new Entreat. I agree with you that the remastering of Disintegration is beautiful.... but it's much more stunning to listen to on the turntable than it is on CD, hence my having both Vinyl and CD versions.
Drea - Yeah, I kill me too.. (?)
ReplyDelete@elgonzi: yep... I'm a fan since 1984 and bought Deluxe just for Entreat thinking that it would sound better than the original one and also because of the great Plainsong, which I think is the best song on the album.
ReplyDeleteBoris must be laughing at how bad things have being going since he left haha.
Oh hi notherbob/fattyowls! Thanks much haha x]
ReplyDeleteSometimes it's a bit nerve-wracking to post here... People can really tear ya apart ;)
"Sometimes it's a bit nerve-wracking to post here... People can really tear ya apart ;)"
ReplyDeleteI feel the same when posting in the official forum where those old fatties leaded by "ti8tgowbb" tear you apart if you dare to say something against their god Robert Smith...
It seems that those ladies don't realize RSX is human and makes mistakes too.
Mmm.. well at least when this lot do argue, it is cohesive and constructive enough to not escalate into the third world war, as it is known to do elsewhere.. :)
ReplyDeleteAnd another major bonus is having 'The voice (or wrath.. :p) of God' which is Craig to give us a clip on the ear and send us to our respective corners, if need arises!!
Past all this.. I'm eager to find out what the next Cure chapter is!!
If you have issues with the new mix you are not listening to it loud enough.
ReplyDelete@notherbob: I think u can't comment much here as you didn't enjoy the great sound of Entreat and/or spent 20 years with it.
ReplyDeleteU r a new Cure fan and I welcome you, but this thread is not 4 u..
@FenderVI: u r joking uh?
how can u enjoy a mono recording anyway?
Please don't tell anyone where they belong or what they can and cannot enjoy.
ReplyDeleteThat's the sort of thing that really doesn't belong here.
All opinions and thoughts are welcome and valued here.
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ReplyDelete@Peter: I was sort of joking. It does sound better when you turn it up. Not sure this is mono though. Maybe not as stereo as the original.
ReplyDeleteI have been a Cure fan since '87. I have just about everything that they have put out and I listen to it. The new mix is a little flat but I find the snare on the original Entreat to be a little too loud and harsh. The drums on E+ might go to the other extreme. It also looks like the dynamics got squished out in mastering.
With that said I still love both mixes. Hell, I still listen to the bootleg of the San Diego Prayer Tour show that I went to and it sounds like it is being played from a tenth generation copy on a VCR with the tracking off.
Case and point!
ReplyDeleteoooh so, is the point: "we are all Cure fans and accept (BUY!) every piece of sh*t that the band releases and we are happy!" .... ???
ReplyDeleteHighly Disappointed.
ReplyDeleteNo, Richard. The point is that this blog is not used for slanging matches (to a degree, as long as it's constuctive or humorous), pointing the finger, putting people down, bullying or threats..
ReplyDeleteIt is a meeting place for people who are devoted to a British band named The Cure to talk and share stories, ideas and feelings..
I think the point is Entreat (1989) is an `80s album, by an `80s band, with '80s production. That's why we love(d) it. That's how the Prayer Tour sounded (listen to your bootlegs). I was there. The 2010 version sounds more like the Festival DVD from 2005, or at least a more modern/current RS approach, to say the least. I think that's what people don't like about it, that it's not a faithful attempt at recreating a work of art from 1989. A near masterpiece that in many ways outperformed the studio version. I appreciate that everyone is passionate about this album, and both sides have validation. I'll re-burn/remaster a CD with 3 2009 songs and the original album for myself. Michael.
ReplyDeleteI give E+ an A+
ReplyDeleteIt just totally blows me away with its MASSIVE AWESOMENESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ReplyDelete@antrecords: I can totally see that point of view. My point was that I love the Disintegration songs so much that I will excuse the issues with the mix, listen and enjoy. While Richard (if that is his real name) hated it so much that he was trying to paint anyone that liked E+ as a fan boy/girl who could only possibly like it because they would be willing to accept any piece of shit that Robert Smith would serve up.
ReplyDeleteThere is one thing that I think we can all agree on. RS could have used some Auto-tune on Homesick :)
I don't think taste comes into it...There are plenty of people who think E+ is fantastic and there are (the majority) that think it is crap.
ReplyDeleteBut this is to do with dynamics, sound reproduction and quality of remixing...and the arguement really is about the "quality" of the remix job RS has done on Entreat+...not whether you like it or not.
I'm no audiophile in comparison to others on this blog and other fora (forums?), but it's clear to me that there is less clarity in the sound of every instrument on E+, especially the snare drum. The new remix has shrouded the whole recording in a muddiness/muffliness that wasn't there previously. Whether you like that or not is really relevant to the arguement .....the arguement being that, in his remix, RS has changed the band sound to something it wasn't...and to something long term fans were not at all expecting...hence the outcry
I can confidently say that objectively this is a bad mix. There tends to be a baseline for what is bad and good in an audio presentation.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely believe that Robert has decreased hearing.
I can understand why newer fans may like the new remix. That is how the current band sounds, and that is what the newer fans are used to. However that IS NOT what they sounded like live in 1989. Entreat (1990) was a textbook example of how to properly mix a live record. It accurately represented the live show mix (with some tweaking.)
What Robert did with Entreat Plus was complete historical revisionism. It truly is no different than how George Lucas edited the hell out of The Star Wars Trilogy.
Boris shot Greedo first!!!
@Jason "um.. the Green (UK promo) and Blue (final retail) sleeves are the same release. No difference at all, except for the covers."
ReplyDeleteMy Green Entreat is slightly louder from my Blue Entreat, that is why I prefer the Green one. its probaly due to the pressing Warner Bros. did of this in the U.S.
I agree Swkege 101, he must have lost some hearing, like GL lost some reasoning with the SW trilogy.
@Fender IV: Richard is my real name as it was registered in Gmail long ago. I'm not the one using an alias here...
ReplyDeleteBut to answer to your last post: the point here is not if the songs are good or not! What we are discussing here is the remix and production quality of Entreat+ ... if RS (or the record label) would've released a single with a couple of songs on E+, then most of us wouldn't bother to get Disintegration Deluxe at all. Why? because I think that the original was good with that 'muddy Cure sound'.
Rariries cd? only a couple of songs are worth it and are $.99 in Amazon...
"Entreat (1990) was a textbook example of how to properly mix a live record."
ReplyDeleteDon't know which textbook you're referring to, but if it really says "drown everything in cathedral reverb and make it sound like you're listening from the point in the arena farthest away from the stage"... I'll gladly take E+.
I think what this thread comes down to is what most threads come down to. A few people are so intent on their perscpective and can not understand why anyone could have a different view. So much so that they get upset when anyone says anything to the contrary. Then they usually make a harsh comment about something or someone.
ReplyDeleteHowever the majority of people can understand and accept other points of view but just want to make sure their perspective is heard.
Most people won't change their mind no matter what they are told. Why should they, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is why when someone in the minority gets upset with someone elses opinion, and tries to convince them that they are wrong that it usually ends up pissing multiple people off.
We're all Cure fans for different reasons. We all have our own favorite songs, favorite albums, favorite concerts, and favorite lineups. Although they may be different and for different reasons, we all like and enjoy the Cure.
I just find it hard to understand why someone would call something that the Cure produces shit. I'm not going to say that every song that they have ever sung live or in the the studio is a gift from the heavens. But I do think it is better then most anything else that is out there.
Maybe E+ could have been better, maybe it could have been closer to what it sounded like back in 1989. Maybe he could have just said Fuck it they'll just whine and complain so why bother re-releasing anything. Maybe if we wait another 20 years he'll give us all time machines to go back and watch the concert in person.
@Richard: I was just joking about the "real name" thing. An attempt at irony. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. As Rob said, I know we're not going to change people's minds here but I was hoping we could lighten up a little.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, your latest comment is succinct and without insult and I see your point but I don't think this was a ploy to get us to buy this release. If that was the case then they would have just had someone mix the missing Entreat tracks to match the old ones and then master them. In that case we probably would have ended up with versions of the old mixes that had their dynamics compressed away to maximize volume. In this case, someone (apparently RS) remixed the tracks from scratch. It is twenty years later so he does have a different perspective now (some say it's revisionist) and probably some hearing fatigue. So yeah there are issues with the mix and I can see why someone that really loved the old mix would be disappointed with the one. The rarities cd is a little weak but overall it is still interesting enough to me to be worth it. Just my opinion...
I re-listened to both versions of Entreat and although the new one is not as bright I think you can actually hear some parts better. On some songs I think the Fender VI has a better tone as well. As my "alias" would indicate, I like the Fender VI and I think it is the defining instrument on Disintegration.
"if RS (or the record label) would've released a single with a couple of songs on E+, then most of us wouldn't bother to get Disintegration Deluxe at all"
ReplyDeleteA sampler was available to download with 3 tracks from E+ weeks ahead of the release.
Walter,
ReplyDeleteThat is how the snare drum sounded live on that tour. If you don't like it then maybe that era of the band isn't for you.
Please feel free to go back to listening self titled, or 4:13 Dream. Enjoy your cardboard boxes. I'm sorry that I like drums to sound like drums.
If you think that is a lot of reverb then you need to listen to a lot more records.
skwege101,
ReplyDeletei got Entreat when it came out, listened to it once or twice and put it on the shelf to gather dust. When I digitized my CD collection, I gave it another try - funnily enough, no Entreat treat ever made it onto any of my Cure playlists because of the muddled, too distant sound. I don't really care if this "is how the snare sounded live on that tour" - been there, liked it in the live situation, but listening to a record at home is a totally different thing. If I want to relive any live show, I just put on a crappy audience boot...
@Walter: A crappy audience boot?? that says it all:
ReplyDeleteYou belong to the team of those who just don't care for good sound quality... haha
that's why you don't like Entreat and like the crappy audience-boot-like Entreat Plus.
Everything is clear now ;)
Starts to smell like MFC in this topic
ReplyDelete"ha
ha"
though there were some interesting opinions at first
@Peter
ReplyDeleteNo, but as a listener, I prefer an "on stage" position in contrast to "last parking lot on the left".
@Walter: Yes, a crappy bootleg sounds like if you were listening to the music on-stage, but from the bathroom!
ReplyDelete... or from outside the amphitheatre
I've been to 7 Cure concerts and none of them sounded like that :D
I LOVE YOU ROBERT!!!!!!!!! i wanna have your baby!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteE+ sounds better than the horrible live versions from the first three deluxe re-issues - 3IB, SS, etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd all this talk about RS having hearing problems doesn't sit well with me. He's not the only artist that's been around for 30 years. You guys should be ashamed.
@KentButabi: yes, sure. The songs in E+ sound better but have you ever listened to the original Entreat? if not, look for it and you will have a nice surprise.
ReplyDeletePeter, does the original Entreat sound different than the cuts off of the Pictures of You & Lullaby cd singles? I have those, which contain six live cuts from Wembly.
ReplyDeleteyes, they are.
ReplyDeletevery informative this comparison!
it really is a shame this... massacre (can't call it a 'remaster'!!!)
Had the original Entreat composed of the 12 songs, it would have been my favourite album! I love this sound!
Thant is really one thing I ever wondered: why didn't they released it commercially with the 12 tracks in the first place!?
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ReplyDeleteAt 1 hour & 10 minutes, all 12 songs wouldn't have fit on an audio CD back then. It wasn't until relatively recently that 80 minute CDs became widely available.
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ReplyDeleteWhy can't we all just be friends?
ReplyDeleteWhere's the love?
So the most important question here is...how do the yellow and pink Entreats stack up against the blue Entreat and the green Entreat? Wouldn't it be cool if we could join them all and make Voltron?
ReplyDelete@Darth_Butters: *snort* Voltron.. Thank you for that x]
ReplyDeleteWow, so listening to Entreat Plus more closely this time...sure enough, Robert replaced Boris drums with Jason drums...bad move that he did it, however, the fact that he was able to do it using software or whatever is brilliant. As far as track by track, minute by minute comparisons...that plain takes the joy out of listening to it. We all have to admit the RAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNN sounds cool remastered!
ReplyDelete@notdeadyet...
ReplyDeleteanytime! ;)
Ah, screw it. I'll just buy the original Entreat and have both on my iPod.
ReplyDeleteEnd.
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@KentButabi
ReplyDeleteCan't go wrong there. :)
Here a 'review' of Disintegration Deluxe and ENTREAT PLUS:
ReplyDeletehttp://bit.ly/b6npnX
Wow, that's a pretty harsh review there. I have no regrets for buying Disintegration Deluxe. True I wish that Boris didn't turn into Jason in Entreat Plus, but all in all it's a great buy and it's still my favorite Cure album.
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