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Tuesday, September 27, 2011

More posts from Robert

So they don't get lost in the flood of comments to come, here are some more posts from Robert today:

REFLECTIONS AT SYDNEY OPERA HOUSE DVD...IS ONGOING... I SUSPECT LIVE IN PARIS 2008 MAY BEAT IT OUT... RSX

RNR HOF http://rockhall.com/inductees/nominees/the-cure/ BORIS WILLIAMS, LOL TOLHURST AND JASON COOPER HAVE EACH BEEN THE CURE'S DRUMMER ON FOUR ALBUMS... BORIS WILLIAMS WAS IN THE BAND FOR 9 YEARS AND LOL TOLHURST FOR 11 YEARS (5 YEARS AS DRUMMER)... BUT JASON COOPER HAS BEEN DRUMMING WITH THE CURE FOR 17 YEARS, FROM 1994 TO THE PRESENT DAY... JASON COOPER IS THE CURE'S DRUMMER - AND IT SICKENS ME THAT HE DOESNT GET A NAME CHECK... BAH! RSX

59 comments:

  1. It's true, though. Jason never gets any credit for anything. And he gets so much bashing from "fans". It's just ridiculous.

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  2. I agree, longest tenure of any drummer, but bashed by fans, I personally never understood the love for Lols' drumming, but to each his own, I never had a problem with Cooper and am glad to see Robert sticking up for him

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  4. It sickens me as well. Jason is fantastic drummer. I love the way Boris was sharp, a kind of powerfull beating machine but Jason is very creative and so groovy that it really brings something "new" (not that new regarding the time he's been playing with Robert but new regarding previous drummers) to The Cure's music.

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  5. Some fans are just dumbasses. I pay no mind to the Jason bashers. Screw 'em.

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  6. I'll never forget Jason sitting alone in the hotel lobby in New Orleans while fans were huddled around Simon and Roger. I spoke with Jason a little bit and he is a nice fellow. It is a shame more people don't give him enough credit.

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  7. Craig you are so right ! Imagine a dreamtour 2000 with for example LOL?

    I saw Jason for the first time in Ahoy Netherlands in 2000. I was really amazed by his drumming !

    I was, of course, in front of the stage and normally you watch Robert a lot...but i could not keep my eyes of Jason.

    He playes 100years so good. No other cure drummer can beat that.

    Only songs like Play for Today could be better, a bit faster, but the reflection version is really good!

    So i am glad Robert finally says something about this because it was upsetting me sometimes to.

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  8. @davidaftertherain: Well said!

    I'm also sick of this everlasting bashing. It's so stupid and unfair!

    In my opinion he is the best cure-drummer ever...

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  9. Robert is so right. How can they not mention him?

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  10. Not to diminish his skills or anything, but...he's pretty hot, too!

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  11. i'm not sure it's really bashing. just simply pointing out facts... like lots and lots and lots of cymbals, sound effects, and a slower tempo for some songs. i thought jason when he first started around 1995 was really good...but something happened after bloodflowers...i noticed the drumming for the older songs not sounding as good. he's in the cure, i love him, i love the band, but his drumming doesn't sound right to me.

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  12. I can't believe it's been 17 years already. Time flies... The fan bashing always really lame. Who gives a shit if he added an extra cymbal to a art of a song. He is a musician, and after 17years of service, he is entitled to leave his own personal mark on are beloved songs.

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  14. Boris was my favorite, but that's just a preference. Of course I know Jason is The Cure's current drummer and has been there the longest though.

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  15. "Not only is it impossible to imagine artists like Marilyn Manson or bands like My Chemical Romance without their example, it is hard to see how goth-tinged phenomena like the Twilight movies could have an audience if Robert Smith had not stamped his black-fingernailed imprint on rock and roll and pop culture."

    WHO WRITES THIS SHIT?!

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  16. Sofia, I said the same thing when I read that. Absolutely terrible!

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  17. Simple: Boris is on the Cure albums that were most successful and accessible (and those albums have a better sound and mix, as if more money was put in it!!????)
    (WishImpossTh, Catch, Open are really huge but also beause of the production.)

    Boris reminds that light frivolous poppy catchy mood.
    Now maybe Robert was also more involved at creating rythms back then (?? having heard some Robert demos including already some of the great rythms, like FascStr)

    Jason's better at darker heavy rythms (WCIBM, YGIF, This morning, all Pornography album on Trilogy);
    also sad stuff (Going Nowhere) but also at Groovy stuff (The Walk, live now)
    Jason's drums sound better in the audience, live, and on the Trilogy DVD than on the 4 last albums. (Too mutch symbals on UsOrThem though, and it would be nice with various drumkits; power toms; sounds like on other voices or special percussions like on ToWishImpTh)

    I'd say in the Boris area, The Cure couldn't have sounded so Dark and Destructive as with Jason (This Morning, Trilogy).
    On the other "Hand" in the Boris time, it was all about Sex. The Cure were a sex broadcasting band.

    Sorry it's just my opinion une fois

    It will sound cheesy but it seems like with Boris The Cure sounded more feminine and with Jason The Cure sounds more masculine.

    I think the lineup should simply release the songs that suit them best
    and be perfectionist (again??) at every stage of production and don't release an album too soon because of the pressure of fans.

    On a personal note, I think the 2 last last albums lacked "slow harmonious" songs with nice melodies and instrumentation. There should have been MORE of it.
    Then, the 3 last could have been produced with a bigger budget or care for sound. Go analog.

    (I really like THE BLUE NILE, the scottish band. I'm secretly hoping The Cure will go in that direction again, a bit like the BloodFlowers time, or try exotic music styles.)

    St-Nicolas wish list:
    Next signle should be ZOUK,
    then lot's of BALLADS,
    Funk and Bossa Nova !!!!

    But I know in the end, wishing for or expecting a particular kind of future Cure music is the worst thing a fan can do. It probably ruins the experience of a new album.

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  18. @ sofia
    The comments are mixing a bit everything, I agree with you. Twilight is not a very good reference but in the same time, one can't deny The Cure has impact on very different kind of movements and artists. I was not very into Manson but he's a smart and interesting personae I discovered a bit more through 'Bowling for Colombine' by Michael Moore. The production of his records, his videos are impresive. I saw him live and it was an hurricane with very talented musicians playing with him.
    My Chemical Romance and the Emo stuff are just young guys playing music which is not worse than some early Cure songs ("Object" is a shit !).
    I think that The Cure released a wide range of works and that's probably why so many people can get an interest and be inspired by them. But you're right : I would have prefer to read something about Placebo or Interpol....

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  19. @ Maniken PYS
    I really like the interpretation and images you gave about Cure periods, feminine and masculine touch. I'd never seen things from that angle but it's really true. Well done.

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  20. @ Darth Buttets
    Don't you think that the rythm is more about Robert's choices to downbeat some songs more than Jason's capacities ? I'm wondering 'cause things changed from a live era to another and for example when playing the old school encore, he's very fast....

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  21. In response to Marco, personally, I think that the best interpretation of songs from 'Pornography' was done by Andy Anderson. If you listen to his playing on 'Concert' and in the 'Live in Japan' video, there are no backing drum tracks. That's just Andy ripping it up on his drum set. 'Give Me It' on 'The Top' and 'Like an Animal' on The Glove's 'Blue Sunshine' are two other examples of some pretty awesome drum work on his part.

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  22. I don' agree with you Shaw.

    If you listen very good to the studio version of 100 years (the drum part) and than listen to the trilogy version.
    Jason comes very close to original i think. He plays it with so much power.

    I personally find the concert version of 1984 very dull and i really don't like Boris drum part on 100 years.

    Jason is just a very good drummer and i nice guy (i think---> he looks very friendly).

    Back in 1992 when i saw them live, they played 100 years and i did not get excited because i did not like the live versions till that date.

    When i saw them many years later and you first hear the drum part...i don't know what happens but i go crazy...like i said: so powerful !

    I

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  23. Reading all these interpretations on drumming is really interesting; I don't know how to judge that stuff. Some of those electronic percussion sound effects HAVE GOT TO GO, though -- i.e. "The Hungry Ghost." However, that's probably Robert's fault for still trying to compete with pop bands from 1996 like TLC.

    Sofia's comment was hilarious!

    What does "Paris 2008" will "beat out" the Reflections DVD? Does he mean a concert film of a Paris show in 2008 will also be released? It's been so long, I must have forgotten if this had been previously announced.

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  24. Myself and another Jason C. fan have been trying to make a facebook fanpage for Jason for nearly a year now. I'm afraid to say, we don't really know how to make a page. I did write an email to Jason and he gave his blessing for the project, which was awesome! I've think the guy is super talented and I've been trying to me him (and just him!) since my first cure concert in 2000. Unfortunately, I am not blessed with the luck.

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  25. "it seems like with Boris The Cure sounded more feminine and with Jason The Cure sounds more masculine."

    that's interesting. and i agree with that, maniken

    as for the write up- it makes be believe all the more in fucking string theory. these people are living in another (godawful) parallel universe. i feel insane that i didn't agree with one thing written. ugh. complete tripe.

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  26. Could be wrong, but I think the writer, as bad as he was, was more or less trying to acknowledge all members of the group throughout it's history.. The fact that he omitted one of the longest running members was a poor effort on his part..


    I'm sure I've said this recently, but I think Jason's sound at Bestival was really great (can't vouch for the sound at Reflection's, wasn't something I was scutinising at the time.. :p would have to watch the DVD *hint, hint* more organic.. less 'cardboard box'.. Sorry! That's the best I can describe it.. :p
    I'm not going to pretend to know how or why that came about.. all I know is that the difference can be heard..
    I don't know what it's like to enter a group half way through their career either and the challenge/stress/whatever you'd like to call it may present.. but it could very well be that it takes as long as he did to feel comfortable within the group.

    Jason has become a stable, reliable member for the group like Simon before him wether people like it or not.. He's not the 'new guy' anymore..
    I'm itching to know/hear what comes out next!

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  27. Paris '08 DVD will beat out Reflections? Bloody hell, we won't get it for years! :P

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  28. On the topic of the Reflections DVD, by "ongoing" it may mean the upcoming shows may be included too..
    Though obviously there is no official mention of this..

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  29. if they do film more, I might have to go and sort Robert out a bit. I know it's very selfish but I want it just to be Sydney as it was my first Cure gig and it's incredibly INCREDIBLY precious to me.

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  30. I agree, Gabby. But my hunch is they may not be entirely happy with the Sydney material or it may not be enough to warrant a release by itself..

    I also think there may be more to this project than what we know already.. If it's what I think then it's going to be very cool..

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  31. Agreed about the name-check - and excuse me? "Unlikely sex-symbol"?
    Robert? He's a fucking supernova of sex appeal. Who wrote this drivel??

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  32. Yeah, that's right...Jason never gets the credit...It was the drumming in the Bloodflowers (self-titled album song)that really impressed me and also the way he played live in the songs of Pornography (Trilogy), but Boris was a much stronger drummer...the drumming in the Disintegration album was absolutely great and a bit technical...He had a lot of moments during his stint with The Cure...

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  33. @david...i'm not sure who's idea is to adjust the rhythm in the older songs...all i know is that listening to live shows in the mid to late 90s when Jason started drumming with the cure, he sounded fine. but lately with the "cardboard box" sound everyone keeps referring to as well as the constant hitting of the cymbals just makes those old songs not sound right. one of the songs that i just heard today was 'if only tonight we could sleep' just was too much with the cymbals...in any case, he is their drummer and should have received his mention like robert said.

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  34. I does stink that Jason is not getting a name drop, as I am a fan of most Cure members. My favorite era is the Wish era, so I am missing Perry and Boris very badly, Perry did not get a name drop either and his tenure rivaled Jason's. To me Boris is the better drummer, but I have come to accept Jason, like the other members. WOW 4 albums in 17 years.....Come on Robert@@

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  35. Thank you, Robert! Thank you for making that comment. Those Jason bashers are just living in the past. If Jason quit and Boris came back, the Cure wouldn't become popular like in the days where they could sell out Giants and Dodgers stadiums. It's not going to bring back the "sound" because people change and the sounds change too. Therefore, no Disintegration II will be coming out!

    Boris was a good drummer, but as a previous person commented, Robert seems to have had a certain beat in mind and Boris had to create drumming based on it. Just listen to some of Robert's home demos on the re-issues. Also, listen to Entreat. It's like Boris sped up the tempo of the songs and it doesn't sound right compared to the studio album.

    I like Jason. I like when One Hundred Years is played live that it begins with the album drum track and then Jason goes into his drumming. Sounds awesome...just listen to Trilogy. I love how there's a loop playing in the background during Fascination Street. He does a great job of the songs. He doesn't ruin them. He adds his special touch.

    Most don't remember, but during the WMS recording, the Cure went through several drummers before settling on Jason. Robert said he liked what Jason added to The 13th and that was the reason Robert kept Jason.

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  36. I HAVE MY PREFERRED CURE DRUMMER BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS MAYBE BY THE TIME THEY GET AROUND TO PLAYING "THE TOP, KISS ME & WILD MOOD SWINGS" IN FULL AS A SHOW - MAYBE ALL 3 COULD STAND TOGETHER THAT NIGHT - THAT'S RIGHT, STAND, JUST LIKE MO TUCKER & BOBBY GILLESPIE USED TO DO.

    HOW ABOUT IT ROBERT? - A NIGHT WITHOUT THE KICK - IF YOUR WONDERING - YOU CAN REPLACE THAT WITH A WAZINATOR STOMP BOX.

    A NIGHT OV STANDING WOULD BLOW ALL CURE FANS AWAY AND PUT AN END ONCE AND FOR ALL THE DRUMMER ISSUE.

    THINK ABOOT IT FELLOW CURE FANS, & CLOSE YOUR EYES AS THE ANIMAL SCREAMS.

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  37. I don't think that Cooper is bad; he's just no good.

    His style simply does not suit The Cure. This is a big reason why most people do not rate the post Wish albums highly...

    I don't even need to compare Cooper to one obvious person. Boris, Andy and Lol were all great when they were in the band. I would take any of them back in a second.

    This hip hop drumming is horrible. I don't want to listen to Blink 182.

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  38. Jason, you are the bands drummer, and a good one to boot! Carry on mate! Pay no mind to the clowns.

    To those living in the past...Boris was also good but he is gone. Get over it.

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  39. Jason doesn't get any credit because he pales in comparison to Boris. Lol is just that...LOL.

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  40. Yawn.... this argument is REALLY getting old now ;)

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  41. Some stupid "fans" are saying the reason THEcURE are not as popular is because of Jason...

    Well i think it is because:
    - The period between wish and WMS was to long
    - Songs on WMS are not as good as on Wish
    - Young people at that time where much more into dance and boy bands.
    - the lyrics on WMS are not as good as on Wish/dis/kiss and Robert had a writers block at the time..

    And they where so popular between 1985/1992 that it had to go down otherwise they would be like U2.
    And thats a good thing because that gives them room to play whatever they want during concerts and there are not many people only going for the hits because there are no hits after 1992.

    Jason proved to me he is a good drummer because of his work on Bloodlowers, thats my second favorite album.

    I hope the next album is going to be a simple album and with good and catchy lyrics and a simple sound.
    With songs you can sing along with after you only hear it once.

    4.13 is not my album. Don't like it. Hope the next one is going to be totally different.

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  42. And Roberts voice sounds very different on the last 2 albums, he is trying "to much" .

    If you listen to Disintegration you hear a Robert with a good voice, and totally in control, with no weird things.

    That's the Robert i like and that's what Disintegration makes a good album, not only the music is great , but Roberts voice is the best on that album.

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  43. MY FAV CURE DRUM BEAT IS "FIGUREHEAD". THE DRUM PATTEN IS SO DARC, HYPNOTIK & EVEN HAS A SENSE OV ROMANCE ABOUT IT.

    I ALSO LUV THAT OFF BEAT & TRIPLE SNARE HIT IN SONGS LIKE “CHARLOTTLE SOMETIMES” & “ A STRANGE DAY”. ESPICALLY THE TRIPLE SNARE HIT – LOVE THAT BEAT – SO SIMPLE YET SO POWERFUL.

    SAYING THAT, I AM SUPPRISED THAT, THAT PARTICULAR BEAT HAS NEVER BEEN PICKED UP & ADDED TO MODERN HOUSE / TRANCE DNACE MUSIC – THINK ABOUT IT ROBERT, NEXT TIME A DANCE BAND ASKS YOU TO COLABERATE, MAYBE THAT’S THE BEAT YOU SHOULD INSIST BE USED. THAT AND A STAND UP DRUMMER. IT WOULD CAHNGE THE FACE OV DANCE MUSIC.

    MAYBE THE NEXT ALBUM, THOSE TYPE OV BEATS SHOULD MAKE A RETURN ????

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  44. The boss is deaf if he cant understand why

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  45. In the most prolific years of the Cure ('85 - '92) Boris did in 7 years what Jason could only dream to accomplish in 17. So, let's back-up for a minute, will the Cure be elected to the hall of because of the last 17 years or the previous years I mentioned. Just listen to KMKMKM and tell me Jason could replicate the originality of percussion that we have all listened to on our headphones for YEARS. I think not, he connot even get Boris's snare hits right (Torture). Just because someone hangs around for a while does not mean he is essential to a groups PAST history which they are about to be judged on. Think about it, if he was so awesome, how could they not include him. It would be "The Cure really stepped with the addition of new drummer, Jason Cooper in 1995". Sorry that is not the case. He may be a great guy, but he has never had the chops. Just a filler...

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  46. Love the "With Boris The Cure sounded more feminine and with Jason The Cure sounds more masculine" comparison. Never really thought about it but it kind of makes sense.

    I do have to admit my favorite Cure Drummer is Boris but I do think Jason I great too. I'm glad Robert stuck up Jason, he should get the recognition, and he deserves it. He's been an important part of the Cure 17 years & for many more years to come for sure.

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  47. One of the things that changed from Wish to WMS was the sudden loss of simple yet addictive guitar lines that engrain themselves in your memory and inspire teenagers to start their own bands. They also lost the public's interest by curbing their output to one album every four years. Now I don't mind that so much but couldn't they release a free-standing single every now and then? The only things that come close to examples of that since they put themselves on a four-year release schedule are Wrong Number, Cut Here, and Just Say Yes, and those were only made largely so hardcore fans didn't have to buy singles/greatest hits albums without getting at least one new song. After WMS came out Robert had said something about releasing a new string of three standalone singles. I got very excited for the return of something like KAA/BDC/JSET and LGTB/Walk/Lovecats: three strong singles with strong B-sides to boot. Alas, all we got was Wrong Number and no B-sides. Are they saying between 2004 and 2008 they couldn't release one single to fill in the gap at least a little bit? Also, since WMS pretty much every single song of theirs has sounded like a relatively basic, straightforward guitar/bass/keyboards/drum song with next to nothing in the way of extra instrumentation. That's one thing WMS did fairly good: get some extra sounds in there.

    Oh, BTW, I would love to see the Reflections lineup become the official lineup for a while. Would love to see album credits like the following:

    Robert Smith: guitar, vocals, other instruments
    Simon Gallup: bass
    Jason Cooper: drums
    Roger O'Donnell: keyboards
    Laurence Tolhurst: percussion, keyboards

    Believe me, that would really change things up, while still utilizing longtime members. Here's to another couple decades of The Cure.

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  48. the assholes @ R&RHoF suddenly realized how unhip they are & need to correct that fact...

    this is ridiculous; cleveland can SUCK MY BIG BLACK DICK!!!

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  49. To me Cooper is a simple average drummer, the definitve Cure drummer will be Boris.

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  50. In 95 96 Some cure friends and i went to house where cure where recording wild mood swings we got to meet Perry& Jason who were both very warm & welcoming .one of my friends Sylvia had met them before Jason came across as being really nice guy we never got to meet Robert as he was busy and Chris Parry turned up & wanted us Gone .
    But Perry & jason both really down to earth guys very friendly gave drinks & evan gave us a lift back to the train Station &were apolgetic that we never got to see Robert I loved Boris when he was in band But I also never understood why Andy Anderson never got a longer stint as he also was awesome But i do find it annoying all the negative comments about Jason &if as it seems that Porl has left again if in the future Robert is thinking 5 piece please please get Perry back

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  52. Guess who appears in the book titled: 100 Years of Rhythmic Power and Invention

    Guess who was interviewed up to three or four times in Modern Drummer magazine? (Drummer's bible!)

    Guess who came up with that wonderful intro for Just Like Heaven

    Guess who created that powerful intro for Why Can't I be you

    Guess who is the guy who always wins in all polls about "Boris vs. Jason"

    Guess who was called by Ian McCulloch to play in his solo album and one of the songs was No.1 in the charts

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  53. Arthritis Aids-
    i'm not sure it's really bashing. just simply pointing out facts... like lots and lots and lots of cymbals, sound effects, and a slower tempo for some songs. i thought jason when he first started around 1995 was really good...but something happened after bloodflowers...i noticed the drumming for the older songs not sounding as good. he's in the cure, i love him, i love the band, but his drumming doesn't sound right to me.

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  54. electric remote control carscoach hire Birmingham
    i'm not sure it's really bashing. just simply pointing out facts... like lots and lots and lots of cymbals, sound effects, and a slower tempo for some songs. i thought jason when he first started around 1995 was really good...but something happened after bloodflowers...i noticed the drumming for the older songs not sounding as good. he's in the cure, i love him, i love the band, but his drumming doesn't sound right to me.

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  55. Jason is very good but let's face it Boris was simply the definitive drummer for the band. But, its not their fault he decided to leave! He didn't leave them a choice.. However, I often wonder what they'd sound like with a Budgie or even John Lever of The Chameleons.. But, thats just me..

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  56. I like Jason but I just feel Boris fit the band the best. But, it's not their fault he left so there wasn't much of a choice. However, I often wonder what they'd sound like with a different drummer. I think the other two that may've fit the best would be either Budgie or John Lever of The Chameleons..

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  57. So, I'm not the only one casting a vote for Budgie. Heck, they could still get him. He needs a real gig. And I would love to hear him interpret live all the past Laurence/Andy/Boris/Jason material.

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