Friday, August 2, 2013

Next Trilogy/Reflections shows in 2014?

So they don't get lost in the Honolulu Meet & Greet topic, I'm giving them their own.

From Nando: "Robert revealed that there were plans for a Reflections-like tour focusing on The Top, The Head on the Door, and Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me!"

From Darrell: "As with others, when I busted out my Reflections limited Litho, Robert said they are working out the next Reflections/Trilogy type show for next year, with The Top, Head on the Door, and Kiss Me!"

Why is the King of Secrets & Obfuscation being so chatty about these shows? And should that make us believe in them more? Or less? :)

74 comments:

  1. Moreless ?! But I want a new record, for God sake !

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  2. I'd like to understand why Robert doesn't release all what he announced. Are there conflicts with their former labels ?

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    1. Let me rephrase. I would like to see something new too, but whatever we are being offered I will lap up. Shows (anywhere doable) for the foreseeable future will do for me. I am missing out in 2013 and it has made me long for some more shows.

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    2. Oh I wasn't talking about you, Aaron. It was aimed at David.

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  4. Can we please keep this about the shows for next year, and not more complaining about new records and why things haven't been released? No one here can answer that, only Robert can.

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  5. I would much rather be seeing them LIVE on the Concert Circuit, than have Robert and the boys, tucked away, out of sight, working on all of the projects we all want, and will eventually get! I am sure they have people working on these things as we speak. Just the preparations alone for playing the three albums listed above takes time. Rehearsing 3 full albums and b-sides of songs they haven't played in many years, if not decades, cannot be an easy task! I am willing to play on their time!

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    1. "...and will eventually get!" Yeah, so, when will we get those Dream Tour live albums? ;)

      Sorry Craig, I just wanted to respond to that. I'll now go back to staying on topic. :)

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    3. When i read about these possible next Reflections type show, i got all excited :)

      Sorry Craig but holly s***t! I had forgotten about them! The 10 Dream Tour live albums!!!

      Sometimes it's hard to stop believing.

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  6. Craig, I'm not complaining and you know how hard I defend their work. I'd be glad to attend some new trilogy shows. But it's no use being complacant and I think it's normal to wait for new stuff from a band who made its history so vibrant because of its never ending creativity process. Sorry if I hurt you. It wasn't my purpose.

    Maybe I'm wrong or stupid but sometimes I feel like Robert is no more confident in releasing new stuff because some bashed the last tries one after the other. Find it unfair because what they do is stil incrediblyl relevant. I'd like him to know there are people who still wait even if enjoying the old stuff live more than many other acts I see.

    You're right saying that only Robert can answer this questions but it's a way of asking him and telling him we suport him. Is it forbidden or bad ?

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    1. It's pointless. When Robert feels like he has enough good material for a new album, they'll start work on it. Until then, no point in worrying about it. He's said he's enjoying playing shows and traveling to new places. That's the phase he's in now.

      We'd all love a strong new album, but if the material isn't there yet, as he's implied in recent interviews, better to wait until it is. I would rather wait 2 more years for a great album, than 6 months for a weak one.

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    2. And I am neither hurt nor complacent. Just realistic.

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    3. I won't insist but things are probably a bit more complicated.

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  7. cue Phil Thornally's cameo :)

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    1. Better yet, bring back Andy Anderson! :)

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    2. I'll direct you gents to my drunken post last night under the story, "Lol at Honolulu".

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    3. What about Marc Ceccagno, Graham, and Graham's brother? ;)

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    4. Ha, I just realized that we're talking about period-appropriate members. Disregard that last post and add Porl and Lol. :)

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    5. Well we certainly know Porl won't be there. But maybe Pearl? :)

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    6. And not forgetting Vince Ely as well.. :)

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    7. I think we're forgetting the most crucial and important person that needs to be there...The Count, Boris Williams!

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    8. oh my god. we miss you boris! jason is just fine. but BORIS!

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  8. Now imagine if they play ALL the B-sides as well..!!

    Exploding Boy, Few Hours After This, Snow in Summer, Sugar Girl, Stop Dead, New Day etc...

    I think I would be looking forward to that more than the actual albums. :)

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    1. And Chain of Flowers! I better start saving up for this. No way in hell I can miss the first live playing of that, can I? :)

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  9. And not forgetting of course

    A Chain of Flowers... :)

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    1. Robert, please start the tour/shows in the US so that I don't have to spend a fortune to hear it played live for the first time. Thanks. :)

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    2. I would prefer the US too because Europe [Summercure] was very expensive :/

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  10. Haha.. Sorry Craig.. You posted that as I was typing..

    Was desperately trying to remember the other KMKMKM B-sides..

    Put it down to old age.. :)

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    1. I wonder if we'd get 'To the Sky'.

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    2. Stop it! The shows are getting too good! That means they'll never happen. :)

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  11. Yeah To the Sky would be awesome..

    Just wondering if there are any tracks off the albums that have never been played live before..?

    Prob only off KMKMKM.. A Thousand Hours perhaps..?

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    1. Nope, that's been played live. :)

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    2. That said, they've played it live just once.

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    3. Icing Sugar then? That has never been played live AFAIK.

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    4. Nico, I think that you're right about that one.

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    5. And i have serious doubts, one Mr J Cooper can master the drum line for Icing Sugar.

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    6. I'm with Unknown on that.

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  12. The b-sides of that period are dreamy. I would pay for a show of just them!

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  13. I'm not complaining one bit! Just like Craig said I'd rather wait on a great album... I just love the fact that they're out and about playing every year now and enjoying themselves... I just hope that they will swing by Dallas on this next tour... otherwise I WILL be complaining! ;)

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    1. Austin in October seems like a viable option from Dallas

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    2. Austin in October seems like a viable option from Dallas

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  14. There WERE plans............

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  15. I still haven't seen the 2nd Trilogy!!!!!!!!!

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  16. Craig, I'm sure you won't miss the first time of Chain of flowers played live! Just try with Kickstarter and some advertising on the website..i know if you give us good perks (like an original hand-written draft of a news-article from 1997s COF or exclusivly for every 250$ your secret receipe of creating 48-hour-days) you'll get enough money for travelling to every show of the next Reflections INCL. produce your first solo-album (and Robert's too!)!! :)

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  17. I think it's unrealistic to think they will play all the bsides from that period and rare tracks.

    Between Top, Head, and KMKMKM that's 37 songs..

    I count bsides/rare tracks:

    Throw Your Foot
    Happy the Man
    The Exploding Boy
    A Few Hours After This
    A Man Inside My Mouth
    Stop Dead
    New Day
    A Japanese Dream
    Breathe
    A Chain of Flowers
    Snow in Summer
    Sugar Girl
    To the Sky

    13... so that's 50 songs. Sure, he did in Mexico City.. but doing that 2 or 3 nights in a row will be a challenge.

    They played 45 songs on the reflections tour, but remember many of those songs are like 2, 3 mins and there are some instrumentals like "Descent' and 'Splintered in her Head', etc..

    Playing 50 songs, all with vocals, all much more complex than the first 3 records...

    Going to be interesting. I think just getting through the 17 song KMKMKM set after two 10 song sets will be a challenge.

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    1. splintered in her head is not instrumental :-)

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  18. They also didn't play 'Disintegration' bsides, or 'Bloodflowers' rare tracks like 'Coming Down', 'Spilt Milk' on the first trilogy. I think between 3IM, 17, and Faith they 'only' had like 30 songs... so their was room to bust out some bsides, etc.

    For the Top/Head/KMKMKM show... I just don't see how they can do it.

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  19. Let's look at the running times as well..

    The Top: 40:55

    Head on the Door: 37:46

    KMKMKM: 74:35

    I mean, that's 2 hours & 34 minutes of playtime between all 3 records... not to mention breaks we're at 3 hours without encores.

    I guess they could throw in two, 6 or 7 song bside encores... add another hour of playtime... who knows.

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    1. Final post:

      Set 1 : The Top

      Set 2: HOTD

      Set 3: KMKMKM

      Encore 1:
      Throw Your Foot
      Happy the Man
      The Exploding Boy
      A Few Hours After This
      A Man Inside My Mouth
      Stop Dead
      New Day

      Encore 2:

      A Japanese Dream
      Breathe
      A Chain of Flowers
      Snow in Summer
      Sugar Girl
      To the Sky

      I'm thinking this could actually work...

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    2. Robert will never play A Man Inside My Mouth. He has been teased about this song's title and some lyrics by some DJ's over the years. He even joked that the song lyrics will be on his tombstone.

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    3. Either way, that would have to find venues that don't care about curfews and other such nonesense. It would not do for them to be playing Snow in Summer only to have the plug pulled. Or more properly, it's probably management looking at all the union employees and not wanting to pay them the overtime. So many of these venues are coporate driven nowadays. Never mind the good, hard earned money paid by all the patrons. Sorry, I've worked in enough venues where strict adherence to hours, minutes and seconds are paid to.

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  20. Can I throw in a vote for Mr Pink Eyes?
    Its *close* enough to the correct era we're talking about there!! PLEASE! ;)

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  21. I still waiting for the video of this last Reflection show

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  22. And at the RAH for example, we didn't get all the b-sides, unfortunately.

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  23. You guys are crazy in wanting to hear all these B sides. It's not going to happen. Just getting through Kiss Me would be exhausting, let alone 2 more CDs.

    I personally think this would be amazing for their fans to have these Reflections x2 shows. It's gotta be hard, though, bc Reeves and Jason haven't played many of these songs.


    Now as far as encores go, the only ones which make sense are 2 from Wish.

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  24. I know no one is going to read this... but the Sunny Trilogy is Head on the Door, KMKMKM and Wish!!!

    I love The Top, but Wish would be better.

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  25. Sorry, Morris, you're completely wrong. Wish is a better album, but for The Cure to play the entire album The Top would be extraordinary.

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  26. Sorry, Morris, you're completely wrong. Wish is a better album, but for The Cure to play the entire album The Top would be extraordinary.

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    1. Well Mike, after the "Dark Trilogy" back in 2002 Roger and i decided a "Sunny Trilogy" should be played... tHotD, KMKMKM, and Wish! Locations tossed around were Spain or Florida...

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    2. All the heavily stringed songs (think a few hours after this and many onKm3) would benefit a proper sting section and would help increase the price of those shows ;-)

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    3. This tour could be called, "Kiss The Head on The Top of the Door" tour. Indeed, I agree, I would pay just to hear 'The Top' played live in it's entirety. That album does have a special place in my heart. It's a beautiful mess.

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  27. It doesn't matter what Roger says and you know that.

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  28. i will go ANYWHERE for this.

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    1. Hahahaha...and there she is! I knew the moment I heard about this, that you would be ready to go. :)

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    2. but hopefully i will only have to go someplace in the u.s.

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    3. craig, i show up only when the time is right! in and out like a goddamned ninja!
      (actually i've just been working a lot...)

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  29. I'd probably pay the price I paid for the RAH Reflections show just to hear The Exploding Boy and A Few Hours After This.

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  30. As far as new recordings go I will just say (again) that they don't seem to have the concept anymore that if they don't have enough material for a full album (questionable) then they could at least release a single or two or three.

    As far as a new Reflections tour goes it'll be interesting to see what lineup he brings out. I like the current lineup but hopefully he more closely approximates the lineups of those particular albums for this apparently upcoming tour. It was disappointing to not see Michael or Mathieu on the first Reflections tour and even more disappointing to not see Laurence playing drums on the songs he had originally recorded drums for (no, this is not an anti-Jason rant). Yes, get Andy, Phil, Porl, Lol, etc. And to the person that mentioned Vince I say yes to that too since he was on drums the first time I saw The Cure. I didn't even know his name then. All I could tell was that it was definitely not Andy on drums. Yes, I know Vince is not likely but the others actually recorded on this stuff (perhaps not Phil, although he did play bass on The Top Tour).

    Speaking of a Sunny Trilogy I think Miami would be a perfect place since Robert had specifically mentioned Miami as an inappropriate place to play The Dark Trilogy.

    And a better trio of albums (or "albums"?) for the next Reflections Tour would be:

    * Pornography (Robert, Laurence, Simon)

    * Japanese Whispers (Robert, Simon or Phil, Laurence, Andy)

    * The Top (Robert, Simon or Phil, Laurence, Andy or Vince, Porl)

    You could fit in all extra material into a running time just like the first Reflections tour. Next tour would be THOTD and KMKMKM and their expansive associated material.

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  31. And then after this set, the next trilogy would be, wait for it . . . Wish, Wild Mood Swings and 'The Cure'. Then Robert will have to finish the Dark Album, and another one too, so he can have another Trilogy set to perform to round it all off. I mean, I still want to hear 'The Boy I Never Knew'.

    Ah well, one can dream. Right? Or would Wish, WMS, The Cure be a nightmare!?!? Mwahhahahahaha!

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  32. I really hope it happens. This has been a great Cure year so far and I'm hooked! I can only hope for a similar 2014!

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